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I'm not trying to take anything away from hamilton. I don't see any indication of rosberg having "no chance" to win. He was suffering with gearbox issues since lap 20. It's a bit unfair to say rosberg didn't have a chance when he had every chance. We saw hamilton last race finish second even though he was storming at the end, so that's evidence that there was no guarantee

He went something like 25 laps on the set of medium tires and was good to the regulations, coming out right behind Rosberg who after his first pit stop still had to make one more stop. The race was decided there and then. The misfortune for Rosberg is the zero points scored instead of 18.
#406901
So at least in this battle today we saw something new, a win by a Mercedes not starting on the front row.
By RyRy
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I'm not trying to take anything away from hamilton. I don't see any indication of rosberg having "no chance" to win. He was suffering with gearbox issues since lap 20. It's a bit unfair to say rosberg didn't have a chance when he had every chance. We saw hamilton last race finish second even though he was storming at the end, so that's evidence that there was no guarantee


I just re-downloaded the timings on my tablet and checked it all out again...

Lap 4 to 20 he went from 6 seconds behind down to 2 seconds and after the pits Rosberg went fastest by the correct amount in comparison to other drivers, but only just beat Hamiltons lap times even though Rosbergs set of tyres were just put on.

Hamilton pitted lap 25, lost 2 seconds in the pits and then instantly came out and did a 1:37.1 which was over a second faster than his teammate which triggered other drivers to take their pit stop and switch to the hard tyre and then everyone started to set their best lap times.

If you're a second a lap faster than your teammate or any driver a pass will be easy especially with DRS so he would of breezed past.

If Rosberg had pitted Hamilton could have won by staying out and just driving to the end (18+ seconds is plenty of time in hand when racing your teammate on the same tyres), Hamilton would have pretty much had a free pit stop and if he went to lap 40ish and then pitted even if he came out along side, behind or the more likely of infront then he would of walked away on the fresh rubber.

It was blatantly obvious that it was Hamilton's win as soon he did the first flying lap after the pits.


I'm not trying to take anything away from hamilton. I don't see any indication of rosberg having "no chance" to win. He was suffering with gearbox issues since lap 20. It's a bit unfair to say rosberg didn't have a chance when he had every chance. We saw hamilton last race finish second even though he was storming at the end, so that's evidence that there was no guarantee

He went something like 25 laps on the set of medium tires and was good to the regulations, coming out right behind Rosberg who after his first pit stop still had to make one more stop. The race was decided there and then. The misfortune for Rosberg is the zero points scored instead of 18.


Exactly, If I was Rosberg and got told on the radio that Hamilton had just gone a second faster on the hard tyre I would of just backed off a bit and saved my tyres, engine... etc because it was already game over. 18 points was all that was possible and he wasn't being threatened behind.
#406951
In a way maybe Hamilton was lucky today because of his previous bad luck. Otherwise he would of had the same age gearbox so he might of had the same problem.

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By sagi58
#406954
In a way maybe Hamilton was lucky today because of his previous bad luck. Otherwise he would of had the same age gearbox so he might of had the same problem.

Does that mean he'll have the same problem next race, thereby being unlucky? :wink:
#406955
In a way maybe Hamilton was lucky today because of his previous bad luck. Otherwise he would of had the same age gearbox so he might of had the same problem.

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Thats a great point for the 'luck' and 'swings and roundabouts' debate. Nico was at greater risk of parts failing due to more wear, and he happened to have the bad luck.
#406956
In a way maybe Hamilton was lucky today because of his previous bad luck. Otherwise he would of had the same age gearbox so he might of had the same problem.

Does that mean he'll have the same problem next race, thereby being unlucky? :wink:

Maybe, but fore warned is fore armed, the NDT team might have a more thorough inspection of what broke on Nico's car when looking at Lewis' gear box in the next week.

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#406959
The good thing is Lewis can take a 5 place grid drop to change the gearbox and be at the front by the end of the first lap
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By sagi58
#406960
In a way maybe Hamilton was lucky today because of his previous bad luck. Otherwise he would of had the same age gearbox so he might of had the same problem.

Does that mean he'll have the same problem next race, thereby being unlucky? :wink:

Maybe, but fore warned is fore armed, the NDT team might have a more thorough inspection of what broke on Nico's car when looking at Lewis' gear box in the next week.

That makes sense!! In fact, it's lucky for Hamilton that they can do that!
By RyRy
#406963
The good thing is Lewis can take a 5 place grid drop to change the gearbox and be at the front by the end of the first lap


Ahahaha, yeah the whole gearbox thing could potentially throw itself at Hamilton next race who knows but isn't Hockenheim kinder on gearboxs?
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By Roth
#406974
Roth is still analyzing the lap times formulating a hypothesis as to how Rosberg would have clearly won this one without his unfortunate end to a gear box.


Yeah, alright George W...

I wouldn't say 'clearly' but you never know what tricks Nico has up his sleeve.

In the end a nice easy win for Hamilton. I'm as happy as anyone he won (well, perhaps not RC) - he had the legs on his rival, as it should be; that hasn't always worked out for the best though.

But let's not forget that he still messed up in Q3 again and pretend it doesn't matter because he won.
#406976
Roth is still analyzing the lap times formulating a hypothesis as to how Rosberg would have clearly won this one without his unfortunate end to a gear box.


Yeah, alright George W...

I wouldn't say 'clearly' but you never know what tricks Nico has up his sleeve.

In the end a nice easy win for Hamilton. I'm as happy as anyone he won (well, perhaps not RC) - he had the legs on his rival, as it should be; that hasn't always worked out for the best though.

But let's not forget that he still messed up in Q3 again and pretend it doesn't matter because he won.

out of all the comments in the thread since this afternoon, that's the one you pick out? It hurts me deeply for you to slander my name with such an association. :hehe:
#406979
Roth is still analyzing the lap times formulating a hypothesis as to how Rosberg would have clearly won this one without his unfortunate end to a gear box.


Yeah, alright George W...

I wouldn't say 'clearly' but you never know what tricks Nico has up his sleeve.

In the end a nice easy win for Hamilton. I'm as happy as anyone he won (well, perhaps not RC) - he had the legs on his rival, as it should be; that hasn't always worked out for the best though.

But let's not forget that he still messed up in Q3 again and pretend it doesn't matter because he won.


He messed up Q3 and it didnt matter because he is massively talented. Which is the point many have been making - talent and speed are trump cards over a season in a racing series. Cleverness and tricks and good luck with penalties and dnfs can sqew things in the short term and make a Nico look close to a Lewis. He still makes less mistakes than others however he can quali out of place and be at the front in a couple of laps so he can afford to play einstein during quali. How many times has Silverstone been won from 6th on grid? Anyways he said he needs to sort out the qualis so lets see

Talking about George W, you are not really suggesting anyone is like this guy?

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#406980
How many times has Silverstone been won from 6th on grid?

The last guy to win from outside the top 5 was Fittipaldi in 75! :yikes:
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