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[7UpJordan]

I'm not Mark Webber's greatest fan, but for once he is damn right.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 355991.stm

Mosley scandal 'has disgraced F1'
By Andrew Benson

Max Mosley
Mosley faces a vote of confidence by the FIA in June

Formula One driver Mark Webber has accused Max Mosley of bringing the sport into disrepute following allegations about his private life.

Mosley, the president of governing body the FIA, was accused by a newspaper of taking part in a "Nazi-style orgy". He denies his deeds had Nazi connotations.

Webber said: "The current scandal has brought the sport into disrepute.

"Whether we like it or not, all of us in F1 are role models, and F1 simply cannot have scandals of this type."

The Australian, one of very few Grand Prix drivers to give his view on the Mosley scandal, would not comment on whether he thought the 67-year-old should resign.

"Whether Max chooses to resign, or how the vote will go at the extraordinary general meeting of the FIA on 3 June, is a matter for him and the FIA membership," Webber said.

"Hopefully that decision will come on 3 June. We have got the confidence in the people - they have all the information they need to make the decision that will see if he can continue."

But, while emphasising he did not want to comment specifically on Mosley's position, the 31-year-old did add that he felt Mosley would now find it more difficult to fulfil his duties.

These involve dealing with heads of government as a representative of the FIA's member automobile clubs, as well as the bosses of the major car manufacturers around the world.

Webber, BBC Sport's columnist, said: "He's in a very, very influential position and it's a very important role that he has.

"It makes it difficult when any of these sorts of scandals are involved, when they become public. It will be more challenging for him to do his role."

Although four of the road-car manufacturers involved in F1 have demanded a response from the FIA, most senior figures in the sport have refused to comment on the situation.

Webber said the relative lack of reaction was because the sport's heavy-hitters were waiting to see what the FIA decides on 3 June.

"I think they are waiting for the extraordinary meeting to take place. A lot of people are sitting on the fence and waiting for the right protocol to happen. And I'm sure on the 4 June there will be a lot more reaction."

Webber's accusation has heavy resonance in F1 - a disrepute charge carries serious penalties for those involved in the sport and has been used by the FIA and Mosley as a means of quietening criticism.

"F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport so a lot of other sports have been tarred with the same brush," Webber said.

"Because F1 is so high profile, we are always very sensitive to not bringing it into [disrepute] because of the amount of people involved in it."

Mosley has been FIA president since 1993. His position is elected by the FIA membership of national automobile clubs and motorsport bodies and his latest four-year term does not expire until October 2009.

[McLaren Fan]

Weber, despite his attempts not to say it, has basically suggested Mosley should go. Like the others, he is being cagey, for if Mosley does get to stay, anybody who opposed him will be punished, or if his career is in its death-throws, he'll try and do as much damage as he can to his opponents before he leaves. It's reminds of the Wansee Conference in 1942.

[darwin dali]

Now Porche and VW are saying that the Mosely/nazi episode will keep them away from F1. For gods sake Mosely, Piss Right Off. And take your supporters with you.

to be honest VW and porche were always against entering F1 because to them they cannot justify the costs. But this episode has probably strengthened their case not to enter

Porsche used to be in F1 - remember?

no i don't remember actually i am not as old as you

Age is no excuse for ignorance especially when statements are made contrary to the facts

[7UpJordan]

Porsche were also in F1 in 1991 with the Footwork/Arrows team using a V12 engine that was heavy, underpowered and considered one of the flops of the season.

[Jensonb]

I'm not Mark Webber's greatest fan, but for once he is damn right.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 355991.stm

Mosley scandal 'has disgraced F1'
By Andrew Benson

Max Mosley
Mosley faces a vote of confidence by the FIA in June

Formula One driver Mark Webber has accused Max Mosley of bringing the sport into disrepute following allegations about his private life.

Mosley, the president of governing body the FIA, was accused by a newspaper of taking part in a "Nazi-style orgy". He denies his deeds had Nazi connotations.

Webber said: "The current scandal has brought the sport into disrepute.

"Whether we like it or not, all of us in F1 are role models, and F1 simply cannot have scandals of this type."

The Australian, one of very few Grand Prix drivers to give his view on the Mosley scandal, would not comment on whether he thought the 67-year-old should resign.

"Whether Max chooses to resign, or how the vote will go at the extraordinary general meeting of the FIA on 3 June, is a matter for him and the FIA membership," Webber said.

"Hopefully that decision will come on 3 June. We have got the confidence in the people - they have all the information they need to make the decision that will see if he can continue."

But, while emphasising he did not want to comment specifically on Mosley's position, the 31-year-old did add that he felt Mosley would now find it more difficult to fulfil his duties.

These involve dealing with heads of government as a representative of the FIA's member automobile clubs, as well as the bosses of the major car manufacturers around the world.

Webber, BBC Sport's columnist, said: "He's in a very, very influential position and it's a very important role that he has.

"It makes it difficult when any of these sorts of scandals are involved, when they become public. It will be more challenging for him to do his role."

Although four of the road-car manufacturers involved in F1 have demanded a response from the FIA, most senior figures in the sport have refused to comment on the situation.

Webber said the relative lack of reaction was because the sport's heavy-hitters were waiting to see what the FIA decides on 3 June.

"I think they are waiting for the extraordinary meeting to take place. A lot of people are sitting on the fence and waiting for the right protocol to happen. And I'm sure on the 4 June there will be a lot more reaction."

Webber's accusation has heavy resonance in F1 - a disrepute charge carries serious penalties for those involved in the sport and has been used by the FIA and Mosley as a means of quietening criticism.

"F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport so a lot of other sports have been tarred with the same brush," Webber said.

"Because F1 is so high profile, we are always very sensitive to not bringing it into [disrepute] because of the amount of people involved in it."

Mosley has been FIA president since 1993. His position is elected by the FIA membership of national automobile clubs and motorsport bodies and his latest four-year term does not expire until October 2009.

I agree. Good on him.

[Mikep99]

and after all this, Ferrari still haven't said anything bad about Mosley. So this means if they indeed do support Mosley, then so should I. If they end up eventually condeming Mosley then I'll also change my mind. In other words whatever Ferrari thinks on this matter is best. What Ferrari thinks and does is always best for F1.

spoken like a true lamb

bud I agree with you there 100% mate. That is very lambish indeed & to tell you the true I even feel embarrassed about a statement like that. (unless it’s a geeup )
But take it from me. If as per your criteria I am also considered a lamb, then I think you know which one AKR is in this picture

[racechick]

I'm not Mark Webber's greatest fan, but for once he is damn right.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 355991.stm

Mosley scandal 'has disgraced F1'
By Andrew Benson

Max Mosley
Mosley faces a vote of confidence by the FIA in June

Formula One driver Mark Webber has accused Max Mosley of bringing the sport into disrepute following allegations about his private life.

Mosley, the president of governing body the FIA, was accused by a newspaper of taking part in a "Nazi-style orgy". He denies his deeds had Nazi connotations.

Webber said: "The current scandal has brought the sport into disrepute.

"Whether we like it or not, all of us in F1 are role models, and F1 simply cannot have scandals of this type."

The Australian, one of very few Grand Prix drivers to give his view on the Mosley scandal, would not comment on whether he thought the 67-year-old should resign.

"Whether Max chooses to resign, or how the vote will go at the extraordinary general meeting of the FIA on 3 June, is a matter for him and the FIA membership," Webber said.

"Hopefully that decision will come on 3 June. We have got the confidence in the people - they have all the information they need to make the decision that will see if he can continue."

But, while emphasising he did not want to comment specifically on Mosley's position, the 31-year-old did add that he felt Mosley would now find it more difficult to fulfil his duties.

These involve dealing with heads of government as a representative of the FIA's member automobile clubs, as well as the bosses of the major car manufacturers around the world.

Webber, BBC Sport's columnist, said: "He's in a very, very influential position and it's a very important role that he has.

"It makes it difficult when any of these sorts of scandals are involved, when they become public. It will be more challenging for him to do his role."

Although four of the road-car manufacturers involved in F1 have demanded a response from the FIA, most senior figures in the sport have refused to comment on the situation.

Webber said the relative lack of reaction was because the sport's heavy-hitters were waiting to see what the FIA decides on 3 June.

"I think they are waiting for the extraordinary meeting to take place. A lot of people are sitting on the fence and waiting for the right protocol to happen. And I'm sure on the 4 June there will be a lot more reaction."

Webber's accusation has heavy resonance in F1 - a disrepute charge carries serious penalties for those involved in the sport and has been used by the FIA and Mosley as a means of quietening criticism.

"F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport so a lot of other sports have been tarred with the same brush," Webber said.

"Because F1 is so high profile, we are always very sensitive to not bringing it into [disrepute] because of the amount of people involved in it."

Mosley has been FIA president since 1993. His position is elected by the FIA membership of national automobile clubs and motorsport bodies and his latest four-year term does not expire until October 2009.

I agree. Good on him.

Agred I dont ususally like Webber for mouthing off but on this occasion good on him! Full marks for Mark

[AKR]

and after all this, Ferrari still haven't said anything bad about Mosley. So this means if they indeed do support Mosley, then so should I. If they end up eventually condeming Mosley then I'll also change my mind. In other words whatever Ferrari thinks on this matter is best. What Ferrari thinks and does is always best for F1.

spoken like a true lamb

You wish I am *LOL*.

[AKR]

and after all this, Ferrari still haven't said anything bad about Mosley. So this means if they indeed do support Mosley, then so should I. If they end up eventually condeming Mosley then I'll also change my mind. In other words whatever Ferrari thinks on this matter is best. What Ferrari thinks and does is always best for F1.

Hahahahaha the exact same thing Bud said McLaren Fan, so in this case a lame response made by another McLaren supporters true Bum Chum. *LOL*

[AKR]

and after all this, Ferrari still haven't said anything bad about Mosley. So this means if they indeed do support Mosley, then so should I. If they end up eventually condeming Mosley then I'll also change my mind. In other words whatever Ferrari thinks on this matter is best. What Ferrari thinks and does is always best for F1.

spoken like a true lamb

bud I agree with you there 100% mate. That is very lambish indeed & to tell you the true I even feel embarrassed about a statement like that. (unless it’s a geeup )
But take it from me. If as per your criteria I am also considered a lamb, then I think you know which one AKR is in this picture

Mike......Sei un traditore!!!!! rahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh *LOL*

[McLaren Fan]

From bbc.co.uk

Mosley aims to stand down in 2009

Embattled Max Mosley has revealed he will not seek another term as head of the International Automobile Federation - if he survives a vote of confidence.

The FIA president's term does not expire until October 2009 but he could be forced out in June after allegations surfaced about his private life.

Mosley was accused by a newspaper of taking part in a "Nazi-style orgy". He denies his deeds had Nazi connotations. "My inclination is to stand and fight," Mosley told the Sunday Telegraph.

"If they wish me to continue, I will continue, if they don't, I'll stop," said the 68-year-old.

"But I will also say to them that it was always my intention, because it is, that I was never going to go beyond 2009."

They're based on the idea that somehow you can't have in your life any sort of sexual activity that's at all eccentric

It was Mosley's first interview regarding the allegations and came a day after Formula One driver Mark Webber accused him of bringing the sport into disrepute.

Webber told BBC Sport: "The current scandal has brought the sport into disrepute.

"Whether we like it or not, all of us in F1 are role models, and F1 simply cannot have scandals of this type."

Mosley, who has been FIA president since 1983, faces a vote of confidence in a secret ballot of members at an extraordinary meeting on 3 June.

He said: "The fundamental reason [I've not resigned] is that the people who elected me, the presidents of all these clubs worldwide, a number of them have written.

"And for every letter I've had from a club president saying, 'I think you should step down'... I've had slightly more than seven who said, 'You've absolutely got to stay, don't give an inch.

"It would then be impossible to turn around to all these people, the great majority, and say, 'No, I'm going to walk away', even if I'm inclined to.

"But my inclination is to stay and fight.

"As far as the people in the sport are concerned, it's interesting that none of the heavyweights have said anything, the people who really are the opinion formers in Formula One."

Mosley admitted his wife Jean was "not best pleased" and his sons were "embarrassed" at the revelations.

But speaking of the criticisms he had received, he said: "They're based on the idea that somehow you can't have in your life any sort of sexual activity that's at all eccentric.

"Most people say if somebody likes doing that, if it's not harming anybody, if it's in private and it's completely secret and personal, it's nothing to do with me."

What a load of cobblers. The reason the opinion makers won't say anything (if you don't regard Toyota, Honda, BMW, Mercedes, AAA etc. as important organisations) is because they cannot trust the FIA to do the right thing and give Mosley the boot in June. If he does end up staying, I wonder what reprisals we will see. It's also low to try and say you were planning to leave next year anyway (which he was not saying a few months ago) in order for them to let you stay on longer. As for these letters he professes to have received, I think he's lying through his teeth once again.

[8-ball]

Max is such a cunning man i'm quite impressed. He says that he is not planning to stay past 2009 and that puts the seed in minds of board members to let him go "honorably" when his term is up. It's mass manipulation of the gullible FIA board members at its finest. I bet you Moseley will survive

[bud]

Max is such a cunning man i'm quite impressed. He says that he is not planning to stay past 2009 and that puts the seed in minds of board members to let him go "honorably" when his term is up. It's mass manipulation of the gullible FIA board members at its finest. I bet you Moseley will survive

totally agree unfortunately

[AKR]

Max is such a cunning man i'm quite impressed. He says that he is not planning to stay past 2009 and that puts the seed in minds of board members to let him go "honorably" when his term is up. It's mass manipulation of the gullible FIA board members at its finest. I bet you Moseley will survive

Oh well good luck to him if he does survive.

[texasmr2]

As for these letters he professes to have received, I think he's lying through his teeth once again.

I believe that is true also but if it's not those club's who have reportedly given Max their support have not been effected in any way or atleast as greatly as F1 has been.

On Windtunnel two week's ago Bob Varsha and Dave Despain both agreed they think Max will be asked to stepdown before the June meeting which I hope is true.