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[Nin-Chin]

After Spain and Bahrain is when Lewis looked at Nico's data.

[LH44]

Available radio messages would suggest Rosberg requests Hamilton's data more than the other way round. We also know that Jenson used Hamilton's data as a baseline when he ended up in a performance cul-de-sac in 2012 mid-season so maybe Tewin tyro is more cerebral than he's credited for

[Hammer278]

The best measure of Lewis' feedback is when he was at McLaren and they started off like sh*t. And before the end of the season, they're at race winning pace, this happened at least a couple of times when he was there....and then Jenson "Smilie" Button joined the ship and put smilies all over it.

Now the team looks like one big smilie.

[racechick]

Available radio messages would suggest Rosberg requests Hamilton's data more than the other way round. We also know that Jenson used Hamilton's data as a baseline when he ended up in a performance cul-de-sac in 2012 mid-season so maybe Tewin tyro is more cerebral than he's credited for

media love to type cast him and too many people are willing to just accept it.

[What's Burning?]

Or make demands of him that they wouldn't make of some other driver.

[Hammer278]

[LRW]

That is just f***ing freaky.

[Roth]

LH44 was just paraphrasing that report.

The general consensus however, especially when people are having a hissy fit, is always Nico learns from Hamilton.

Yep I read the Autosport article http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114616
as for the general consensus, I didn't realise there had been a poll ?
Wolf says the drivers no names but I guess that doesn't fit your agenda.

I don't have an agenda. Don't assume every criticism is fueled by dislike. I support Hamilton, but I don't think everything is black and white.

If I question Hamilton here it's rather like I'm questioning religious zealots who say I can't disprove God's existence, so he must be up there. Clearly, I can't know the exact percentage of people who think what exactly goes on with data sharing. But I can read, and I can gain a general impression that whenever telemetry and data sharing are brought up it's treated like a one way street. Which is ridiculous.

Honestly, I just think you're all annoyed that Nico's upsetting Hamilton's season, and all of a sudden it's on for young and old.

Let's not perhaps discuss where Hamilton's going wrong and discuss that but just pretend the world is out to get him.

[What's Burning?]

LH44 was just paraphrasing that report.

The general consensus however, especially when people are having a hissy fit, is always Nico learns from Hamilton.

Yep I read the Autosport article http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/114616
as for the general consensus, I didn't realise there had been a poll ?
Wolf says the drivers no names but I guess that doesn't fit your agenda.

I don't have an agenda. Don't assume every criticism is fueled by dislike. I support Hamilton, but I don't think everything is black and white.

If I question Hamilton here it's rather like I'm questioning religious zealots who say I can't disprove God's existence, so he must be up there. Clearly, I can't know the exact percentage of people who think what exactly goes on with data sharing. But I can read, and I can gain a general impression that whenever telemetry and data sharing are brought up it's treated like a one way street. Which is ridiculous.

Honestly, I just think you're all annoyed that Nico's upsetting Hamilton's season, and all of a sudden it's on for young and old.

Let's not perhaps discuss where Hamilton's going wrong and discuss that but just pretend the world is out to get him.

And that is your opinion and at least as far as I'm concerned from the facts available to us mortals by the media official and unofficial, it's absolutely wrong. However, if you were to opine with such likewise conviction about other drivers and their weaknesses and where they're obviously failing or going wrong, I might give it some consideration as true impartiality and perhaps even an informed opinion. Most just bother to make such claims about (the black in the black & white) so you can see why there's a defense of the guy by his fans... most of the negative commentary are opinions not based in anything actually factual and if you search here, most of his supporters (see exhibit A below) are the first to question his boneheaded moves. Not that it means anything because the narrative of his fans here treating him like god doesn't fit the agenda.

EDIT: I will add, that it's' nice to have an actual discussion about your POV without the usual pot shots or hit and run comments we usually get by the trolls of the interwebs intended only to inflame, and that you are sticking to your opinion and detailing your argument. That's very refreshing for us Hamilton fans.

Exhibit A
Re: FORMULA 1 GROSSER PREIS VON ÖSTERREICH 2014

Postby Hammer278 » Sat Jun 21, 2014 8:01 am
If that was a driver mistake, it's the worst choke I've seen from Lewis in his F1 career.

[CookinFlat6]

All anyone ever asks are a solid foundation for any crticisms, as distinctly opposed to cliches and unsubstantiated generalisms which are a known phenomena that has acompanied the guy from day 1
As long as it dont smell of '1 rule/standard for Lewis and 1 for the rest' then I dont think anyone cares

When someone tells us that Lewis is bad with tyres because they 'just think so' and are willing to state it with conviction, even though an hour of research could reveal a different picture, then its almost a public duty to supply the picture. Its when some have an agenda, or even worse dont know they are pushing an agenda dangled in front of them, this is when it attracts derision

Its when things are said that dont encompass the reality or the actual facts that people find out exactly why he has proper 'last ditch stand' hardcore supporters. Maybe Seb needs a few supporters as well but thats another thread

[overboost]

If this continues Merc are going to start scratching their heads as to why they recruited Hamilton and are paying him so much more than Rosberg.

You think a team dominating the way Merc is scratches their heads? Definetely not the marketing guys especially since Lewis is the biggest attraction in the grid. Neither his boss Toto who claims Lewis is faster or the chairman of Daimler who have known and backed Lewis instead of Nico for over a decade

It could even be the fact a Lewis beat Nico last year

Nah, only haters are scratching their chinless heads

Is Lewis winning the Lewis V Nico marketing battle?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/motorsport/formulaone/lewishamilton/10840853/Lewis-Hamilton-is-named-the-worlds-most-marketable-sportsperson.html

It's a bit sad when the tifosi can't even bash other teams or drivers with properly thought out put downs. It's all half hearted nowadays, a bit like the team itself, or a bit like Kimi
'Lets just throw something in and hope for the best, if it's factually incorrect we can always claim to have a mea culpa, or to have limited knowledge or even to be too new to F1 to understand it'
'Lets stick a whip smiley on the end, that will have them foxed'

Interesting article with Hamilton the top rated sportsman in the world. I wonder though if things would be different now as the timing of that was when Hamilton was on a high leading the wdc and with four straight wins and poles just before Monaco. It's been a Rosberg show since then.

Hamilton certainly personally benefits from such a high rating, I also wonder if Merc benefits from Hamilton's brand in the actual selling of their cars verses a Rosberg led team? I am sure that Merc have their own studies and are crunching the numbers as things progress. Lots of racing still to come .for Hamilton to turn his fortunes around.

[CookinFlat6]

Lewis did not suddenly become the most marketeable sportsman after 4 wins in a row

there is a ton of info available free on the web that explains how these are decided, in fact there are pages and pages of discussions (with facts) on this very forum about Lewis' worth to Merc, his relationship with Daimler going back a decade, tons about branding - what Merc does for lewis and what lewis does for Merc, tons about social media popularity and how this translates to revenue. There is even a discussion where it is scientifically proven, and carefully explained to recent Ferrari supporters that Lewis and Alonso to all intents and purposes can be considered BIGGER than a whole F1 team.

So the last thing we need is yet another new fan to make sweeping statements based on what 'he just assumes' expecting that because he is a new and passionate tifosi thats acceptable. Just a few minutes of research before jumping in would be appreciated

I am sure that Merc have their own studies and are crunching the numbers as things progress. Lots of racing still to come .for Hamilton to turn his fortunes around.

This is good progression from

If this continues Merc are going to start scratching their heads as to why they recruited Hamilton and are paying him so much more than Rosberg.

lets try and do this in the first place

[racechick]

Here's a view from thejudge that I hadn't even considered...



"Hamilton owned Friday, Massa + Williams owned Saturday and Rosberg took the honours on Sunday when it really mattered. His Championship lead is now over a race wins worth of points over his teammate as they head to the Briton’s home Grand Prix. Those who complain about the poor qualifying or slow pit stops costing Hamilton need to re-watch the race. Rosberg won the race in lap 7-11 where he dropped well over 2 seconds behind Valtteri Bottas, forcing Hamitlon close to 4 seconds behind the Finn. A shrewd move by Rosberg, who dropped far further back from the Williams pair than necessary, which begs the question; was this on purpose? To my mind, the answer is an unequivocal yes!"

[Roth]

Does he mean strategical to halt Hamilton, or just because he knew he couldn't get past Bottas so was saving fuel and tyres and not stressing the car?

And it is about qualifying, I don't care what thejudge says. Wolff said it's about qualifying, and it's allowing whoever's in front to dictate terms, which at present is Rosberg.

[Hammer278]

I'd go with Rothschild^, Lewis has to at least nail those bankers in Q3 and he hasn't been doing it. Like it or not, 0.001s makes the difference so it's not the gap that matters in Q3 it's the position. The tough part is picking yourself up after a few bad quals....I remember when supporting DC (he was a mess in qualifying) it just got worse and worse when the 1 lap shot format was introduced. Psychologically it weighs you down when you're actually making the lap. We saw how Lewis cracked in Austria, I've never seen a mistake nearly so bad as that from Lewis.

He needs to put it right on the Saturday again and there's no better place than Silverstone to do it.