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#405726
:hehe: leave him alone he's already put in his half hour effort... he's exhausted.


You sound like my ex :nono:
#405736
He was OK on the old layout, and he got pole last year. A record that hardly strikes fear.

Nico will keep plugging away. It seems it's all he has to do. He's breached that psychological barrier of being a win and then some up. His luck might hand him the championship, then what do you do, bitch about it? Nobody won a championship on pure skill.

It feels now that the extra speed Hamilton has is no longer an advantage because he finds a way of negating it. I'm starting to feel we've seen this before in Hamilton, this psychological weakness we pretend is misfortune.


By psychological weakness, do you mean he won't use tactics other than driving fast and fair? Because I see no evidence of psychological weakness, just a guy who won't play games to win. Who puts his hand up when he makes an error and gets pissed off when others resort to alternative tactics. He is what you see.
If that's a weakness , I'll take it over duplicity.


Holy moly. This is like Maradona's Hand of God goal. You really have to let it go.

Reverse Monaco and he'd still be behind. He still should have won the last two races but bottled it in quali. There's no use stepping in to defend the man when there is no defence. Nico hasn't pulled any other dubious moves, he just keeps finishing ahead and that's not the way it's allowed to be apparently.

And let's not keep having this altered reality where Hamilton's should be ahead because he's faster. DNFs are a part of racing. The general consensus before the season started was if Nico wins the title even if it's through Hamilton's DNFs, so be it. Monaco aside Nico's leading the championship fair and square.

It's gutting, I get that. But I realise Hamilton has a psychological weakeness that Nico's exploiting by proxy, and it's pointless denying it.
#405754
He was OK on the old layout, and he got pole last year. A record that hardly strikes fear.

Nico will keep plugging away. It seems it's all he has to do. He's breached that psychological barrier of being a win and then some up. His luck might hand him the championship, then what do you do, bitch about it? Nobody won a championship on pure skill.

It feels now that the extra speed Hamilton has is no longer an advantage because he finds a way of negating it. I'm starting to feel we've seen this before in Hamilton, this psychological weakness we pretend is misfortune.


By psychological weakness, do you mean he won't use tactics other than driving fast and fair? Because I see no evidence of psychological weakness, just a guy who won't play games to win. Who puts his hand up when he makes an error and gets pissed off when others resort to alternative tactics. He is what you see.
If that's a weakness , I'll take it over duplicity.


Holy moly. This is like Maradona's Hand of God goal. You really have to let it go.

Reverse Monaco and he'd still be behind. He still should have won the last two races but bottled it in quali. There's no use stepping in to defend the man when there is no defence. Nico hasn't pulled any other dubious moves, he just keeps finishing ahead and that's not the way it's allowed to be apparently.

And let's not keep having this altered reality where Hamilton's should be ahead because he's faster. DNFs are a part of racing. The general consensus before the season started was if Nico wins the title even if it's through Hamilton's DNFs, so be it. Monaco aside Nico's leading the championship fair and square.

It's gutting, I get that. But I realise Hamilton has a psychological weakeness that Nico's exploiting by proxy, and it's pointless denying it.


I have to let what go? The facts of the situation? No, won't do that.
If Monaco were reversed Rosberg would still be ahead. Correct. And that's because Lewis has had two DNF's . All part of racing absolutely. But let's not try to pretend Lewis is behind because he messed up one quali session, let's be real about this and stick to the facts. He's behind because of the DNF's. Has Nico 'messed up' all the other quali sessions where he's finished behind Lewis? no, just not been quite as fast , as happened to Lewis in Canada.

Rosberg doesn't 'keep finishing ahead' of Hamilton, he's done so twice. That's exactly half of the times Hamilton has finished ahead of Rosberg. Again,your facts aren't quite right.

I've never suggested Rosberg has made any dubious moves other than the Monacco quali move. He's driving extremely well, though again, if you look at the error rate you'll find he's made more errors than Lewis, they just haven't cost him; and of course when Hamilton makes ONE mistake suddenly he has a psychological weakness and is error stewn. It really is laughable.
#405755
Just to reiterate/paraphrase what a wise man said:

NO title is won in one race!! It takes the entire season.

A season, which is obviously made up of good races and not so good races.
Good luck and not so good luck. Good pit stops and not so good pit stops.

Sure, we can rationalize that if it wasn't for this or that driver, if it wasn't for
this or that strategy, if it wasn't for this or that error, if it wasn't for this or
call by a race marshall, etc.; but, in the end, that's what the racing is all about.

p.s. I also realize it's easy for me to say all this, since I don't have a "vested"
interest in how this season plays out! :wink:
#405756
I have to let what go? The facts of the situation? No, won't do that.
If Monaco were reversed Rosberg would still be ahead. Correct. And that's because Lewis has had two DNF's . All part of racing absolutely. But let's not try to pretend Lewis is behind because he messed up one quali session, let's be real about this and stick to the facts. He's behind because of the DNF's. Has Nico 'messed up' all the other quali sessions where he's finished behind Lewis? no, just not been quite as fast , as happened to Lewis in Canada.

Rosberg doesn't 'keep finishing ahead' of Hamilton, he's done so twice. That's exactly half of the times Hamilton has finished ahead of Rosberg. Again,your facts aren't quite right.

I've never suggested Rosberg has made any dubious moves other than the Monacco quali move. He's driving extremely well, though again, if you look at the error rate you'll find he's made more errors than Lewis, they just haven't cost him; and of course when Hamilton makes ONE mistake suddenly he has a psychological weakness and is error stewn. It really is laughable.


Monaco has to be let go. It's one incident. There's something bigger going on.

And it's not a matter of being behind due to DNFs. It's being beaten where he shouldn't be - so further behind than he should be.

Qualifying is crucial. The whole race result rests on it. He messed up the last two Q3s. In a normal season that's not too damaging, but this season his only competition is consistently fast enough to exploit that despite being slightly down on pure pace. It's a fine line between success and failure. For Hamilton in that Merc P9 to P2 isn't a great drive it's the minimum he should be achieving, and it's hurting him every time he has to recover from poor quali. The DNFs compund the situaution. It's why he can't afford to have poor Q3s. And that's what he's been doing. If he's faster but finishing second there's some sort of weakness there.

He wasn't making these mistakes before Monaco, and if it carries on we can't put it down to coincidence. If he recovers and performs to the standards pre-Monaco we can just see it as a blip. He has to wrestle back the advantage now though because the title is slipping away if he carries on like this. The story of the Merc this season, more or less, is get in front, stay in front. If Hamilton keeps ruining quali it's game over. He's giving Nico confidence to grow into the role of leader, where he's not just hoping to win but expecting to.
#405761
:banghead::banghead::banghead: he doesn't KEEP finishing second. He's finished second twice!! Against a very capable and on it team mate!
Monaco was crucial to Nico, he made sure he got that pole, if he hadn't he'd have been finished, it would have been five in a row for Hamilton. I didn't like how he did it but it's done. Since then Lewis had a quali where he was what, 700ths off Nico? Hardly a mess up. And then yes he messed up Austria quali, and Yes he could have done without it. but it's one error compared to several by Nico.
I'd say his first lap at Austria was pretty sensational Merc car or not.
#405767
I'm not knocking Hamilton for the sake of it. I'm trying to point out where he's losing out to Nico and shouldn't be. I also refuse to defend him to the hilt when he's clearly making mistakes that are costing him dearly.

He's just been beaten twice on 'Hamilton' tracks when he was faster. Which is how we got here because I wasn't going to blindly assume that the British GP would be a 'Hamilton' track either.

He may have only been 700ths slower in Canada but he was faster overall so being behind is a bad thing, a mess up. It's got nothing to do with his proximity to Nico's time, but the implications of being behind. If it was Alonso dragging the Ferrari to within 700ths, now that would be a good thing, a great performance. For Hamilton it was a bad thing because he should have been infront - the resultant issues and retirement all stemmed from following Nico.

And yes, his first lap in Austria was great, that's why we love him, but he was then stuck behind Nico for 70 laps.

And Nico has made errors but I think you're lumping minor ones in with major ones, and pretending he's Basil Fawlty. Monaco and the chicane cut are his only two major errors. The rest is just filler.

I'm trying to see the bigger picture here, not cherry picking facts because I have a crush on him.
#405775
So two major errors for Rosberg then and one for Lewis. And the minor errors by Rosberg we sweep under the carpet. Rosberg is a good qualifier, look at his record , it is not a forgone conclusion that Lewis will always get pole and that he's weak in the head if he doesn't.

Lauda on Lewis' spin.......

"These things can happen," said the 65-year-old Austrian. "There is nothing wrong with this. I have known him for a long time and he is absolutely perfect in his head.

Australia DNF Lewis
Malaysia, Nico only 3rd on the grid , finished 17sec behind. Lewis, pole win
Bahrain , Nico got overtaken from pole and despite having the faster car couldn't get back past Lewis.
China , Nico 4th on the grid, finished 18 sec adrift. pole win Lewis
Spain, pole win Lewis
Monaco , error by Rosberg saving him the pole and the win.
Canada, Rosberg 700ths faster in quali, pole and 2nd place. Major off track for Rosberg without penalty. DNF Lewis.
Austria , error by Hamilton pole and win to Rosberg.

So all those times when Rosberg was off the pace of Lewis, was he weak in the head? or making little errors under pressure? Or is it only Lewis we can apply that to?
#405784
I remember Button having a string of bad races in 2012, he wasn't called psychologically weak. I remember Rosberg getting not qualifying on the front row a few times this year in the best car - he wasn't called mentally this or that

Thing is Lewis has had 3 races without winning, 1 was a mistake by an under pressure Nico, one was a dnf. And Alewis finished 2nd in the other. Those that say this is weak are hoping he will actually act in a weak manner and blow this out of proportion and let it cascade to something really negative

It's obvious to some more open eyed that there has been some attempt by Lewis to protect his telemetry IP. He has tried to save his fast lap for the last moment each time. This has seemingly backfired but was very likely worth the risk of what happened - qualifying behind his teammate. Toto is obviously not happy that this gamesmanship is costing the team

So Lewis overthought a couple if qualis - big deal - wtf is this psychological weakness? Surely Kimi has a giant helping of it? No? Kimi is the iceman? Ah that's ok then, what about Vettel, surely his collapse this season is an even bigger mental weakness? Nah he won 4 WDCs - he might be easily rattled, stubborn, petulant, spoilt but mentally weak? Nope that's Lewis' corner

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