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[sagi58]

...and not at all bad for a drinks company killing people slowly by the masses with their canned poison.

Kinda like cigarettes, you mean?

Last time I checked RedBull doesn't give you Cancer.

And, tobacco isn't a form of "canned poison"?

[LRW]

...and not at all bad for a drinks company killing people slowly by the masses with their canned poison.

Kinda like cigarettes, you mean?

Last time I checked RedBull doesn't give you Cancer.

And, tobacco isn't a form of "canned poison"?

Exactly. So we agree it's nothing like cigarettes.

[Jabberwocky]

Maybe with Honda coming back some other Japanese firms want to join in

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[1Lemon]

...and not at all bad for a drinks company killing people slowly by the masses with their canned poison.

Kinda like cigarettes, you mean?

Last time I checked RedBull doesn't give you Cancer.

And, tobacco isn't a form of "canned poison"?

Have you never smoked a can of tobacco? You guys haven't lived!

[Hammer278]

Maybe with Honda coming back some other Japanese firms want to join in

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Don't worry Jabs, Toyota isn't a swear word, you can just say it.

[sagi58]

...and not at all bad for a drinks company killing people slowly by the masses with their canned poison.

Kinda like cigarettes, you mean?

Last time I checked RedBull doesn't give you Cancer.

And, tobacco isn't a form of "canned poison"?

Exactly. So we agree it's nothing like cigarettes.

First of all, that was a question, I was not agreeing!! Secondly, I do believe cigarettes are a form of "poison" considering the side effects that have been medically proven.

By the way, I did say "kinda" ((as in sort of, similar to)), because I see cigarettes as the greater evil.

[geetface9]

I am actually starting to sympathize for vettel. I was hoping his car would keep running but just enough to keep him back in like 13th place so everybody will think he just $#@!*&% sucks more than he really does.

[Jabberwocky]

I think Vettel is getting all the bad luck at the moment to equal out all the good luck he has had in the last 3 years.

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[sagi58]

Red Bull: Renault boss pays price for team's engine troubles

Renault has changed the management of its Formula 1 division after the poor performance of its engine this year.

Renault Sport F1 president and managing director Jean-Michel Jalinier has retired.

Jerome Stoll becomes president and former Caterham team principal Cyril Abiteboul will be managing director.

The changes come after Christian Horner, boss of Renault's works team Red Bull, described the engine as "unacceptable".

The task of Stoll and Abiteboul will be to ensure the company's 2015 engine is able to compete with rivals Mercedes, who are dominating this season.

Progress is limited this year because manufacturers are not allowed to change their engines to improve performance during the campaign.

Horner has said that the 2014 Renault engine is as much as "80 or 90bhp" down on the Mercedes. He also said that the French company were under-prepared for F1's new rules, which have involved the introduction of 1.6-litre V6 turbo hybrid engines with restrictions on fuel capacity and flow.

Ferrari is a similar distance behind the Mercedes, with insiders split on whether the Italian or French engine is weakest.

Renault F1 deputy managing director Rob White, the man in charge of the design of the engine, has admitted the company "were behind our internal goal setting and therefore I cannot be satisfied".

He added: "We were not quick enough on the track to respond or to satisfy our teams, and therefore of course we would have liked to have done things differently and achieve a different outcome."

Abiteboul returns to Renault after nearly two years at Caterham. The 36-year-old was previously a high flier within the company and held the position of executive director of the Renault F1 team.

Stoll is a long-time Renault manager, who was most recently the company's chief performance officer - effectively its global head of marketing and sales.

Renault said in a statement that Jalinier had "decided to exercise his right to retirement for personal reasons".

[stonemonkey]

...and not at all bad for a drinks company killing people slowly by the masses with their canned poison.

Kinda like cigarettes, you mean?

Last time I checked RedBull doesn't give you Cancer.

And, tobacco isn't a form of "canned poison"?

No, mine is in a tin.

[Jabberwocky]

Is it me or are Redbull getting there act together and doing what they have done in the last few years, start off the year all over the place and then come on strong in the second half of the season?

[spankyham]

Is it me or are Redbull getting there act together and doing what they have done in the last few years, start off the year all over the place and then come on strong in the second half of the season?

Agreed.

[stonemonkey]

Well, their pre season was a total disaster so they've been on their backfoot, I think with the exception of the engine, the car's pretty good and they're working their way around the engine problems now.

[spankyham]

I think they'd be competing for wins if we had the same rules regarding engine changes as we had with the previous engine freeze. Pity for Dan and F1 fans in general.

[What's Burning?]

The thought struck me that Red Bull went from having one of the least popular drivers as their lead man, to one of the most popular drivers as their lead man in just half a season.