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[The Second Coming]

More data digging for Nico.

http://www.espn.co.uk/mercedes/motorsport/story/161499.html

Clearly Lewis' plan from this point forward should be, just do enough...do individual sectors but not complete quick laps. Let Nico win the Friday Championship, then Lewis can come out and do what he does.

I also continue to wonder, you want to be taken seriously but to beat your team-mate, you need to use his data and setup to try to beat him. There will come a time when that dependency is gonna hurt you.

[Roth]

...[Rosberg] didn't pull any man sausage moves against MS, because he didn't have to. We saw him as a fair benchmark for MS success, because that's all he was then.

So, even though
-Rosberg and Hamilton go way back to carting days;
-they are contemporaries in the truest sense of the word;
-they are teammates on the same team with the same equipment,
Rosberg is not a "fair benchmark" for Hamilton's success?

Well, I guess. You find a little more perspective with each new teammate. I never said he wasn't a benchmark though. Their pre-F1 days count for little. Hamilton has carried on the way he always has this year. His talent has never been in doubt. Rosberg's has, and we're learning more about him this year from Hamilton's presence and Merc's domination than the other way round.

So what positives are we taking from Nico? That he's not as far behind as we imagined? That he plays a better political game? He's no lacky teammate and will keep Hamilton on his toes? Stuff we already knew. There doesn't seem much else to say.

[Roth]

More data digging for Nico.

http://www.espn.co.uk/mercedes/motorsport/story/161499.html

Clearly Lewis' plan from this point forward should be, just do enough...do individual sectors but not complete quick laps. Let Nico win the Friday Championship, then Lewis can come out and do what he does.

I also continue to wonder, you want to be taken seriously but to beat your team-mate, you need to use his data and setup to try to beat him. There will come a time when that dependency is gonna hurt you.

If fear is the motivator then Hamilton's already let a lesser driver get to him. He should be confident enough for Rosberg to bring it on, regardless.

[sagi58]

...[Rosberg] didn't pull any man sausage moves against MS, because he didn't have to. We saw him as a fair benchmark for MS success, because that's all he was then.

So, even though
-Rosberg and Hamilton go way back to carting days;
-they are contemporaries in the truest sense of the word;
-they are teammates on the same team with the same equipment,
Rosberg is not a "fair benchmark" for Hamilton's success?

Well, I guess. You find a little more perspective with each new teammate. I never said he wasn't a benchmark though. Their pre-F1 days count for little. Hamilton has carried on the way he always has this year. His talent has never been in doubt. Rosberg's has, and we're learning more about him this year from Hamilton's presence and Merc's domination than the other way round.

So what positives are we taking from Nico? That he's not as far behind as we imagined? That he plays a better political game? He's no lacky teammate and will keep Hamilton on his toes? Stuff we already knew. There doesn't seem much else to say.

Thank you! That makes a lot of sense!
As far as teammates go, Rosberg is the best one for Hamilton!!
All in all, Mercedes is all the better for this pairing!!

[Roth]

They are a good match but it feels Nico is always playing the litmus paper part rather than being defined on his own terms. Which is a strange combination because his baseline seems to keep shifting up. Unless he wins the title he'll be seen as a strong support driver like Berger rather than a genuine contender. He's a contender this year by default which could be a turning point in his career. He'd be an odd sort of unexpected champion like Button who might flourish for a while.

[sagi58]

That's pretty insightful!!

We'll have to keep that in mind, when reviewing the season in November!

[geetface9]

Whatever the case may be, hamilton shouldn't worry about it because I'm sure they told him in his contract his data would be shared, and vice versa, to make sure both cars are bringing in 1-2 finishes.

[What's Burning?]

It's not the problem of sharing data that's the issue. It's the fact that those that tend to despise marmite, associate Nico's resulting two wins with his talent more than they do with his team mates misfortune. After all, Nico did have the fastest time around Monaco. The same way Jenson beat Lewis on points over the three years.

The argument is nothing new to Lewis' fans.

[Hammer278]

It's not the problem of sharing data that's the issue. It's the fact that those that tend to despise marmite associate Nico's resulting two wins with his talent more than they do with his team mates misfortune. After all, Nico did have the fastest time around Monaco. The same way Jenson beat Lewis on points over the three years.

The argument is nothing new to Lewis' fans.

It's what makes it easy to distinguish the objective non-Lewis fans from the haters, so it's all good.

[sagi58]

Let's get back on track, eh?

Just thought of something, in response to WB's post:

Interesting comment today on the NBCSports coverage by Will Buxton. Something that we'd discussed a bit back during the Monaco fiasco. (or at least I posted the same feedback in the thread, don't know if it was discussed). Long story short, Hamilton is not wanting to give the other side of the garage tips on where Nico can improve his lap around the track. They've been using Lewis' data and getting Nico there. So in Monaco Lewis was very specific to keep his lap times matched or even a tick slower on purpose...

Data/information/statistics will only get you so far. Hamilton's driving style is different to Rosberg's and
what works for one doesn't necessarily work for the other. Even if Hamilton does "share" how he attacks
a specific part of the track, that doesn't necessarily mean that Rosberg will be able to successfully adapt
his own driving style to emulate that particular action and get the same results.

So... what's the harm?

((Just in case, that was NOT intended to be facetious!! ))

[What's Burning?]

No harm, but how does Lewis bebefit? Lewis the not as cerebral not as hard working teammate of Nico.

[sagi58]

I think your definition of "not cerebral" is at the crux of the problem.
Hamilton is naturally talented and I'm sure that most of us are in agreement with that salient fact, eh?
From what I've read, Rosberg is not being described as "hard working", rather that he is "working hard".
That's not necessarily the same thing!!

Read what Lauda says, with that in mind:

, Staff wrote:">[url=en.espnf1.com/mercedes/motorsport/story/160185.html#xxEJG0PzDdWQqHdg.99]Hamilton more naturally talented than Rosberg - Lauda[/url]

...Lauda thinks Hamilton is the more naturally talented of the two but that Rosberg is working in different ways
to get results.

"Lewis, from my point of view, has a 0.1s or 0.2s advantage on Nico because he can get the laps in qualifying in order," Lauda said. "Nico is working hard, he's my type, with the mechanics the engineers with the tyres forwards and backwards.

"So we have one natural talent, who is very emotional, and we have another guy who is doing the same job in another way. We are in a very comfortable situation with two different drivers, but in the end they do the same result. For me it's a very good situation."

Lauda is not comparing them in a negative manner, rather he's focussing on their respective strengths.

[geetface9]

Nico outqualified hamilton

[racechick]

I think your definition of "not cerebral" is at the crux of the problem.
Hamilton is naturally talented and I'm sure that most of us are in agreement with that salient fact, eh?
From what I've read, Rosberg is not being described as "hard working", rather that he is "working hard".
That's not necessarily the same thing!!

Read what Lauda says, with that in mind:

, Staff wrote:">[url=en.espnf1.com/mercedes/motorsport/story/160185.html#xxEJG0PzDdWQqHdg.99]Hamilton more naturally talented than Rosberg - Lauda[/url]

...Lauda thinks Hamilton is the more naturally talented of the two but that Rosberg is working in different ways
to get results.

"Lewis, from my point of view, has a 0.1s or 0.2s advantage on Nico because he can get the laps in qualifying in order," Lauda said. "Nico is working hard, he's my type, with the mechanics the engineers with the tyres forwards and backwards.

"So we have one natural talent, who is very emotional, and we have another guy who is doing the same job in another way. We are in a very comfortable situation with two different drivers, but in the end they do the same result. For me it's a very good situation."

Lauda is not comparing them in a negative manner, rather he's focussing on their respective strengths.

There has been a lot of stuff flying around the internet saying Rosberg is harder working and more cerebral than Hamilton.

[sagi58]

There has been a lot of stuff flying around the internet saying Rosberg is harder working and more cerebral than Hamilton.

Possibly because people choose to "misunderstand" what Lauda is quoted as saying?