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#402830
...To refer back to the article where Jenson commented about Lewis , the thing that most surprised me was his comment that mind games won't work on Lewis. He should know, I'm sure he tried them. People suggest that Lewis' weakness is his mental vulnerability, this suggests otherwise. Jenson says he just comes back stronger.


I don't know that "mental vulnerability" is how I'd describe Hamilton's state of mind; however, in Monaco,
I noticed that he did seem more preoccupied with looking for reasons why he wasn't ahead of Rosberg rather
than getting in front of Rosberg. Do you remember I mentioned it in the chatroom? He seemed to "need" to
know right then and there why he wasn't brought in earlier (after the SC was deployed). I did suggested that
he shouldn't worry about the ""what if"" in the heat of the moment and concentrate on what he need to do,
right then and there. YES! He does have the right to understand the rationalizations; but, that discussion
should be had after the race finished.

Just an observation and not a criticism!!


Sagi, this is something I've already posted elsewhere in the ether( so apologies to anyone who may have read it elsewhere) it explains how I see the whole pitstop/ radio transmissions / strategy issues that went on at Monaco. I realise you struggle with Lewis and won't perhaps see things the same way but any way, this is what I think was going .....

My views on Lewis' radio comments, post race comments and pitstop strategies...........
First Lewis' post race comments. When asked about his radio calls, he explained the difference between Merc and McLaren. He wasn't comparing Merc unfavourably just saying they were different. At McLaren he and his strategist would make the call, at Merc a central strategist does it and the leading driver gets the first/ optimum call. Lewis stressed he was just saying they are different and he said the Merc strategist was excellent. Now put that in context with his first call after the safety car
"I knew we should have pitted straight away". ( thinking as he would have at McLaren , racer brain on)
" but I knew you wouldn't bring me in" ( recognition that he's in Merc now, it works differently.)
That's how I would interpret that comment rathe than petulance as has been suggested. It's just Lewis' thinking process being verbalised.
And his next comment
" I can't believe there's a safety car" again, simply Leiws verbalising his thoughts. He's not having a ago , just ruing the loss of his slight chance of overtaking Rosberg.

And Toto's comments: Toto was asked about Lewis' comments and why they didn't pit the lap before. He explained there was so much going on, to take into account, maybe they could have done, but Lewis wouldn't have been brought in before Nico. He was clear on that, first driver gets first pit call.
He was then asked what if Lewis made the decision to pit? He said the drivers don't make that decision at Mercedes, they wait to be called.
He was then asked , what if Lewis just came in? That doesn't happen, he reiterated.
So there you have it. Like it or not. The drivers do not make the call at Mercedes. I can see some merit to this, especially with two highly competitive and fairly closely matched drivers. These two are already suspicious of each other's actions. Mercedes have to be seen to be fair or the situation becomes unmanageable.
#402834
The thing is what if they had pitted Lewis/Nico the lap before and there was no safety car. That driver would be back in the pack somewhere not 1st or 2nd.

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#402841
The thing is what if they had pitted Lewis/Nico the lap before and there was no safety car. That driver would be back in the pack somewhere not 1st or 2nd.

At that point they were very far ahead of everyone else, they likely would have kept the lead or come out withing the top cars that had yet to pit. It was never a race between anyone but Nico and Lewis. Mercedes are exploiting the luxury gap they have on the field.
#402842
No they wouldn't because the others would all have come in on the safety car putting the Mercs back ahead. They may have had more trouble stacking them at racing speed,so the second driver may have suffered. Dunno. The point of my post wasn't whether the call was right or wrong, it was to explain Lewis' radio messages.
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By sagi58
#402974
That's not what I said, nor what I meant.

Thinking on the run is important, in ALL jobs; but, timing is everything.
Once a decision is made and it's irreversible, it's important to focus on
what's next rather than on why a different decision wasn't arrived at.

Again, it's not a criticism; merely an observation.

You observe Hamilton a lot.

And, you observe my comments a lot! :rofl:

Seriously, though it may seem that way, it's probably because 90% of all posts refer
to Hamilton, in one way or another and I'm just responding to what's here.

That's ok, right? :thumbup:
#403173
One for you here Sagi, by your friend the judge :wink: , it's about Lewis, and it's isn't particularly flattering, it's not particularly how I see it, but compare it to the drivel on our news page and you'll see the difference. One contains fact and information , the other is all made up .
http://thejudge13.com/2014/06/02/daily- ... delusional
The article in question is called,' Hamilton must play ball'

A good read also is ' Mercedes management not up to the job' I have to say, I wish Brawn were still there!
#403175
According to the judge, Lewis tweeting telemetry at Spa was to show how Button had the better setup. And Button had the better setup because he had the better wing. And he had the better wing because Ron had ordered the team not to show Lewis Buttons data. And Ron had ordered this to teach lewis that he needed the team more than they needed him. And this was because Lewis and X1X were talking to Merc.

he also says this about ferrari
It feels at present like Ferrari are groping deeper and deeper into the darkness, with no light at the end of the tunnel -and not a wind one…. might I add.


and this about Seb
It must seem like light years since Vettel stood for the umpteenth time victorious on top of the podium; inferred he was winning because his team had the best work ethic. In fact, the irony of the current 24/7 effort of the Red Bull team busting their balls and still barely making a dent in Mercedes massive lead will surely not be lost on Sebastian. Maybe the ‘balls in the pool’ comment is even haunting him daily.


and calls Button delusional

How anyone can say he only bashes one driver/team is beyond me
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By sagi58
#403178
One for you here Sagi, by your friend the judge :wink: , it's about Lewis, and it's isn't particularly flattering...

Thanks, RC! The Judge has presented information/quotes from a number of sources to write that;
but, he didn't actually offer his own opinion regarding Hamilton's "behaviour". If anything, he has
provided a number of reasonable explanations and a timeline that seems to show the evolution of
the situation at McLaren.

All in all, a good read! :wavey:
#403179
According to the judge, Lewis tweeting telemetry at Spa was to show how Button had the better setup. And Button had the better setup because he had the better wing. And he had the better wing because Ron had ordered the team not to show Lewis Buttons data. And Ron had ordered this to teach lewis that he needed the team more than they needed him. And this was because Lewis and X1X were talking to Merc.


Jeeze that seems like forever ago. I wonder if Ron had time to reconsider the whole affair during the 2013 season.
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By sagi58
#403180
...I wonder if Ron had time to reconsider the whole affair during the 2013 season.


psst... I thought Dennis wasn't supposed to be involved in F1, at the time? :confused:
#403181
...I wonder if Ron had time to reconsider the whole affair during the 2013 season.


psst... I thought Dennis wasn't supposed to be involved in F1, at the time? :confused:

I wouldn't know, I was watching Lewis drive a Mercedes that year.
#403183
Following the recent tale about Lewis from his karting days by his Italian team manager that talks about Lewis being faster than Nico and letting Nico do all the dirty work and then using his data. And other sensationalist stuff such as Lewis behaving like an Italian vs German Nico

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/formula-1/lewis-hamilton-nico-rosbergs-former-3634135

Here is a more detailed tale from the same period, this time IMO with more common sense

http://www.auto123.com/en/news/karting-lewis-hamiltons-years-in-karting-photos?artid=141302&pg=1
#403184
that was a good read. Nice to see those old pics too. :)
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By Roth
#403185
This 'working with the engineers' thing has become a bit of watershed remark of no substance. Schumacher apparently could develop a car - until he got to Merc. Vettel too - until they changed the regs on him. Button was a master - until his shiftless teammate left then the talent strangley deserted him. Then we saw the culmination of the erudite and hardworking Nico's stab at development on full display at Mirabeau.

Meanwhile Hamilton's been working on his facial hair, because apparently he can't do much else.
#403186
Yup, if drivers could 'develop' cars why pay guys with engineering degrees? Why not employ a bunch of taxi drivers and have them develop the car

The only thing the driver provides is feedback on the developments and ofcourse the wider the drivers array of talent and technique, the better the feedback, the better the feedback, the more effective the development, and ultimately the faster the car becomes in a shorter period of time

There can be no coincidence in Buttons narrow skill set and the floundering of development at Bar, Honda and McLaren when the car went in his direction without an experienced and talented drivers feedback.

Apparently with Ferrari, Alonsos feedback is very very good, however the engineers are not able to turn that into performance because their creativity has been stiffled by the thought they are working for such a famous and successful F1 team.
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