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By Denthúl
#402634
I've just watched Q3 again, and Lewis went straight into the pits and didn't complete his final lap
So how was it a recorded lap time ?


Hmm, going into the full lap chart, you might be right. Did they go for a timed run on the first or second lap after the outlap? If the latter, then I am indeed mistaken. :)
#402635
Think about what a couple of tenths of a second is time wise, any kind of lifting, and it's all over. I don't believe Nico did it on purpose, but I believe he quickly realized how much of an advantage it was for him.

I'm hoping this doesn't rear it's ugly head again, I'm sure TP Briatore would have Alonso on pole every race. :hehe:
By Ichabod
#402636
I've just watched Q3 again, and Lewis went straight into the pits and didn't complete his final lap
So how was it a recorded lap time ?


Hmm, going into the full lap chart, you might be right. Did they go for a timed run on the first or second lap after the outlap? If the latter, then I am indeed mistaken. :)


First run was outlap, slow timed lap between 2 - 3s down (warm up), then a proper flying lap

second run was outlap then straight into the flying lap

I think Brundel was talking about the first run when he said Lewis & Nico where there or thereabouts the same.
I have seen no official timing for the first sectors of either driver on the second run :)
By Ichabod
#402637
Think about what a couple of tenths of a second is time wise, any kind of lifting, and it's all over. I don't believe Nico did it on purpose, but I believe he quickly realized how much of an advantage it was for him.

I'm hoping this doesn't rear it's ugly head again, I'm sure TP Briatore would have Alonso on pole every race. :hehe:


I think lifting into Mirabeau then the short run to loews would cost at least a second if not more
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By Denthúl
#402638
Think about what a couple of tenths of a second is time wise, any kind of lifting, and it's all over. I don't believe Nico did it on purpose, but I believe he quickly realized how much of an advantage it was for him.

I'm hoping this doesn't rear it's ugly head again, I'm sure TP Briatore would have Alonso on pole every race. :hehe:


It depends on how much you lift, I guess. We've all seen plenty of drivers go faster through yellows despite lifting. :P

I agree, though. I think it needs to be left where it is, and I'm sure we have many more close battles to come.

I've just watched Q3 again, and Lewis went straight into the pits and didn't complete his final lap
So how was it a recorded lap time ?


Hmm, going into the full lap chart, you might be right. Did they go for a timed run on the first or second lap after the outlap? If the latter, then I am indeed mistaken. :)


First run was outlap, slow timed lap between 2 - 3s down (warm up), then a proper flying lap

second run was outlap then straight into the flying lap

I think Brundel was talking about the first run when he said Lewis & Nico where there or thereabouts the same.
I have seen no official timing for the first sectors of either driver on the second run :)


So yeah, his last lap wasn't officially recorded as a full time, my mistake. :) I am still sure that sector times are recorded, but ultimately there's no way to say unless someone from the FIA actually comments. I definitely remember Brundle's comment about Lewis matching Nico coming right before we saw Hamilton backing off, though.
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Brundle said that Lewis had more-or-less matched Nico and the official timing supports that case rather than this five tenths.
So which was it, more or less?

You don't complete a lap it's aborted, no time is recorded until you cross the start finish as part of a lap. Why announcers looking at the F1 sector feeds make something like that up? I don't know, maybe they were lying? Maybe Lewis blew his wad in Q2 and wasn't going to beat him in Q3, I mean Nico has a history of beating Lewis to pole position right?


Maybe I'm just reading it wrong, but the tone of that seems somewhat childish.

Maybe just frustration since I watched the qualifying session again to make sure. Frankly I never understood why drivers can't make their first attempt and if they're happy with it or don't think they can improve, just get out of the car and not bother with a second attempt. I think as a driver you know if you left anything on the table, and it's my opinion that the entire weekend Lewis spent monitoring himself and not showing Nico the way, only to be able to put down the lap he knew he could when he needed to. It clearly backfired.

The thing is that Nico drove a good race yesterday, he did what he needed to do to keep Lewis behind him. He got a good start, thanks in part to the work Mercedes did to make sure there were no clutch issues, he drove mistake free and he won the race. It's supremely difficult to overtake a matched car in the streets of Monaco. Yesterday was Nico's day, and lady luck was with him to the end.

The mishap in Qualifying to get pole, the Sutil crash preventing the Lewis' side of the garage trying and jump him in the pits and lastly any kind of last ditch attempt in the closing laps with whatever problem Lewis had with his vision.

Sometimes one is better off lucky than good.
#402642
I definitely remember Brundle's comment about Lewis matching Nico coming right before we saw Hamilton backing off, though.

We're watching different guys comment... on NBCSports, David Hobb's comment was when Nico thrashed it and then a couple of seconds later we saw the feed from Lewis' camera (paraphrasing) Lewis has lifted, he's lifted, wow he was five tenths of a seconds up just on the first sector! With a lot of surprise to his voice. Which apparently Lewis was well aware of since he mentioned it in the post qualifying interview.

Onwards to Canada I guess, it's clear the intra-team battle at Mercedes is the closest we're going to get to a fight this season. At least they've done more than Red Bull ever did in 2011 and 2013 when they had no rivals.
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By bud
#402651
The track keeps coming so even if your bank lap was fast, its still best to do another lap. My personal view is Nico did it on purpose, i mean why did he reverse back onto the track? surely he would know that would induce Yellows!!!
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By Denthúl
#402660
Well, the yellows were out whilst he was still stationary at the end of the escape road, so I personally don't believe they would have been brought in before the chequered flag anyway.

In terms of reversing, the regulations state that a car must make it back to the pits under their own power. Obviously there are circumstances in which it would be acceptable not to, such as a crash or stalling it, but I imagine it may not have gone down too well with the stewards if he had just switched the car off and left it.
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By racechick
#402661
The track keeps coming so even if your bank lap was fast, its still best to do another lap. My personal view is Nico did it on purpose, i mean why did he reverse back onto the track? surely he would know that would induce Yellows!!!


That's my view. And Lewis' especially having see the data.
By Nin-Chin
#402662
They do record any sector you do and Sky did a side by side comparison and Lewis was a fraction behind but he lifted just a moment before the end of the first sector.
#402663
I get the feeling the powers that be didn't want to deny the Monaco crowd of the chance of a rosberg Hamilton duel at the front instead of just a sole car out in front, and that rosberg might just have shot himself in the foot with this.
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By racechick
#402665
Merc would have to cover for him like crazy after that , whatever they thought. Lewis saw the data and was even more convinced of what really happened, so you can bet your life the rest of the Merc people saw it too.
Lewis will have hardened over this. So I agree Stonemonkey, Rosberg has not have done himself any favours.
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By racechick
#402675
I agree. :yes:

Nico was desperate to win here..it's one of his best chances..

Thought this comment by Nikki Lauda was very telling....
"You have to be a bastardif you want to win in F1 anyway. No question. And you cannot win being a nice guy."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/27569606


Practically admitting Nico did it on purpose. And Nico has just nudged Lewis one whole big step away from being Mr. Nice Guy.
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