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[racechick]

ESPNF1Kimi Raikkonen admits he wants an explanation from Ferrari on its pit stop strategy after he finished behind team-mate Fernando Alonso in Spain.

Conspiracies at Ferrari too? Me thinks Kimi may be reading his contract for the first time this evening.

OH no, are they cheating on Kimi like Whitmarsh did on Lewis? That's poo. Alonso is good enough without that. Not to mention 14 (ish) lost points to me in the pool.

It's not as if you desperately needed them this weekend!

True. But it would have been sweeeeeeet!

[spankyham]

ESPNF1Kimi Raikkonen admits he wants an explanation from Ferrari on its pit stop strategy after he finished behind team-mate Fernando Alonso in Spain.

Conspiracies at Ferrari too? Me thinks Kimi may be reading his contract for the first time this evening.

OH no, are they cheating on Kimi like Whitmarsh did on Lewis? That's poo. Alonso is good enough without that. Not to mention 14 (ish) lost points to me in the pool.

Probably the same conspiracy that got Lewis questioning his pit wall during the race


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[sagi58]

Dumb Question of the Day:

Aren't the people on the pit wall "human"? Are they supposed to be clairvoyant on top of
being well-versed in data analysis and deciding the strategies that work best based on
that data available ?

It's a split second decision made in the heat of a race, why do we look for conspiracies?

((OK, so that was more than one question!! But, really, they all lead to the last one... ))

[racechick]

ESPNF1Kimi Raikkonen admits he wants an explanation from Ferrari on its pit stop strategy after he finished behind team-mate Fernando Alonso in Spain.

Conspiracies at Ferrari too? Me thinks Kimi may be reading his contract for the first time this evening.

OH no, are they cheating on Kimi like Whitmarsh did on Lewis? That's poo. Alonso is good enough without that. Not to mention 14 (ish) lost points to me in the pool.

Probably the same conspiracy that got Lewis questioning his pit wall during the race


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???he wasn't questioning his strategy. He was asking for help with handling problems. Lewis wasn't shafted.

[spankyham]

???he wasn't questioning his strategy. He was asking for help with handling problems. Lewis wasn't shafted.

He sure did question them, firstly he ignored their calling him in to box, and did another lap. Then he questioned twice the changes for the front wing, then he outright asked them why they called him in when they answered him that his lap times (prior to being called in) were good.

*** EDIT *** I watched the race in the US, so got the local US coverage, and, if anyone else could confirm this, I think earlier Lewis told the team he had a problem with a rear tire/grip and the team tried to tell him it was all ok, but the commentators spotted graining on one of the tires and highlighted it. It was a great spot by Lewis.

[racechick]

???he wasn't questioning his strategy. He was asking for help with handling problems. Lewis wasn't shafted.

He sure did question them, firstly he ignored their calling him in to box, and did another lap. Then he questioned twice the changes for the front wing, then he outright asked them why they called him in when they answered him that his lap times (prior to being called in) were good.

Yes I heard all that. Lewis wasn't happy with the cars handling so he was questioning the engineers about the best way of resolving it. And I think the engineers were brilliant with a Lewis who was at that time clearly stressing a little. That's not the same as questioning your strategy after the race because you think you've been put on an inferior one to your team mate, ( and actually all the times Whitmarsh did that to Lewis he never questioned it....we did his fans, but not Lewis)

Someone made the point that Kimi had been put on an inferior strategy. Someone else said Kimi's was questioning the strategy. And I then asked the question 'oh no, are they cheating on Kimi' because I don't know what happened with the Ferrari strategy, so I asked ( I missed the live race and after show chats) . Just an explanation about what happenned with the Ferrari strategies would be fine, no need to switch it to Lewis.

[sagi58]

...Someone made the point that Kimi had been put on an inferior strategy. Someone else said Kimi's was questioning the strategy. And I then asked the question 'oh no, are they cheating on Kimi' because I don't know what happened with the Ferrari strategy...

First of all, that Kimi was put on an "inferior" strategy was an opinion.
Sure, it was different; but, until after the race is finished, you can't always
know ahead of time which strategy will work best with each set of variables.

Secondly, I think it was the wording of your question (i.e., "are they cheating
on Kimi" which may have necessitated the example of Hamilton's race.

[bud]

Kimi was ahead but Fernando was pitted before him.

Then at the end he was on ten lap older tyres than Fernando!
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[spankyham]

I really felt Kimi had done a better job all weekend, and for that reason I thought he deserved to be ahead. He may be called the iceman, but it is clear he doesn't like being beaten by Fernando. That's good Kimi, turn that into some positive results.

On the timing of pitting, if both sides of the garage want to pit at the same time, then the leader gets the priority, e.g. if they have a SC and have to stack them then the lead guys gets done first. But the second guy always has the option to try the undercut, we've seen that happen may times in many teams. It seems to me Kimi's side of the garage was caught napping, also Kimi will probably be kicking himself for not realizing Nando would try that.

[What's Burning?]

Before qualifying, Fernando made a comment (being interviewed by Will Buxton) that he usually beats his teammate. This weekend in front of his home crowd, I think Ferrari had to make sure the right man was in front. Whether they do the same for Kimi in Hungary remains to be seen. It's a pity though, the potential for fireworks would have been a much better show were Ferrari close to the Red Bull and able to fight for that last step on the podium. I still have a hope to see that this season but the gap between the front runners is becoming more of a chasm than a gap.

[LiamCatterson]

You know I honestly did feel Kimi did a better job this weekend and he got sidelined for Fernando this weekend. That is how I feel about what happened. But I think this was clear from the start because for me, I believe Ferrari have seen Alonso as number one even when Kimi joined the team...But you can tell Kimi is not over the moon about this lol

[Jabberwocky]

Let's face it if you split your drivers strategies there is going to be a winner and a loser. The loser in this case was Kimi. The trouble comes when the losing team mate feels it is vindictive.

Personally I do not think Ferrari are that far down the road in the championship to choose a favourite.

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[sagi58]

...Personally I do not think Ferrari are that far down the road in the championship to choose a favourite.

[racechick]

I agree, but they've done it before, picked a favourite from very early on in the season.

[bud]

Let's face it if you split your drivers strategies there is going to be a winner and a loser. The loser in this case was Kimi. The trouble comes when the losing team mate feels it is vindictive.

Personally I do not think Ferrari are that far down the road in the championship to choose a favourite.

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They are around the block!!!