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[spankyham]

Trying to find my positive, I have to say the speed of this years cars is not as bad as I feared, and I do believe there is still more speed to be found.

You're welcome.

My pleasure. Now get your butt into gear and get these 2014 cars outdoing 2013 times!!!

[What's Burning?]

Trying to find my positive, I have to say the speed of this years cars is not as bad as I feared, and I do believe there is still more speed to be found.

You're welcome.

My pleasure. Now get your butt into gear and get these 2014 cars outdoing 2013 times!!!

You've got to wait till 2015 or 2016 for that.

[racechick]

These engines this year are 1% slower but use 33% less fuel. That's actually pretty cool

The engine power was a secondary but major point with me about the 2014 changes. The sound was/is the biggest. Trying to find my positive, I have to say the speed of this years cars is not as bad as I feared, and I do believe there is still more speed to be found.

Having said all that , how do you arrive at 1% slower?

Joe Saward said it, based on how long it took Lewis Hamilton to finish the Chinese GP( assuming the correct flag waving not the incorrect one) , compared to last yeas winner.
A very good read here.
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2014/04/ ... e-put-out/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[spankyham]

Trying to find my positive, I have to say the speed of this years cars is not as bad as I feared, and I do believe there is still more speed to be found.

You're welcome.

My pleasure. Now get your butt into gear and get these 2014 cars outdoing 2013 times!!!

You've got to wait till 2015 or 2016 for that.

I think/hope there is a lot more to come from these engines this year, a lot.

It would be so good if we could get this years cars faster than last years, and then next year get them sounding great again

Does anyone think any team will get the 2014 spec cars faster than the 2013..... personally I'm starting to believe its possible?

[spankyham]

These engines this year are 1% slower but use 33% less fuel. That's actually pretty cool

The engine power was a secondary but major point with me about the 2014 changes. The sound was/is the biggest. Trying to find my positive, I have to say the speed of this years cars is not as bad as I feared, and I do believe there is still more speed to be found.

Having said all that , how do you arrive at 1% slower?

Joe Saward said it, based on how long it took Lewis Hamilton to finish the Chinese GP( assuming the correct flag waving not the incorrect one) , compared to last yeas winner.
A very good read here.
http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2014/04/ ... e-put-out/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If he's right, then its possible they can out-do them before the end of the year. Despite being classified as a "bonkers hillbilly" - that would indeed be a step in the right direction for me

It's a pity we can't have a rational discussion of "greenness" in F1 as I think there's a lot to be learned if we could all "empty our cups" on the way into that discussion.

[scotty]

Maybe someone mentioned this, apologies if i missed that (not reading 36 pages!) - i still find it hard to see why they couldn't just go the LMP route and make ERS relatively free in terms of capacity and output. Perhaps there are reasons regarding (the lack of) engine differences or perhaps sheer ability to regenerate the energy required but i haven't seen anything public regarding that... but surely F1 should be promoting the absolute maximum energy recovery possible in a given situation rather than placing limits.

[spankyham]

Maybe someone mentioned this, apologies if i missed that (not reading 36 pages!) - i still find it hard to see why they couldn't just go the LMP route and make ERS relatively free in terms of capacity and output. Perhaps there are reasons regarding (the lack of) engine differences or perhaps sheer ability to regenerate the energy required but i haven't seen anything public regarding that... but surely F1 should be promoting the absolute maximum energy recovery possible in a given situation rather than placing limits.

I'm not sure why they came up with such a convoluted set of rules - well it seems convoluted to me. Personally, if we had to go down a green path, my thinking would lean me towards bio-diesel.

[Nin-Chin]

I'm really liking the throaty sound from the Mercedes though, it sounds decent.

[racechick]

Efficiency the key to performance in 2014 F1 say Merc.
http://www.mercedesamgf1.com/en/news/20 ... fficiency/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I can't cut and paste from this article for some reason, but it's a good read even for the technically challenged. It explains a lot about the engines and the philosophies behind them.

[What's Burning?]

2003 Pole Michael Schumacher - Ferrari 1:09.150
2014 Pole Felipe Massa - Williams-Mercedes 1:08.759

[spankyham]

2003 Pole Michael Schumacher - Ferrari 1:09.150
2014 Pole Felipe Massa - Williams-Mercedes 1:08.759

The track is different

[What's Burning?]

Rationalizations, rationalizations, rationalizations. Why doesn't it work the other way around when they have tires designed to fall appart, less aero, less horse power, less fuel, less fuel rate, less, less less? Next year I think you'll be even more surprised.

[darwin dali]

2003 Pole Michael Schumacher - Ferrari 1:09.150
2014 Pole Felipe Massa - Williams-Mercedes 1:08.759

2003 full tank, 2014 on fumes.

[What's Burning?]

2003 Pole Michael Schumacher - Ferrari 1:09.150
2014 Pole Felipe Massa - Williams-Mercedes 1:08.759

2003 full tank, 2014 on fumes.

2003 five session of rubbering in on the track versus four in 2014.

[Ferrari man 009]

2003 Pole Michael Schumacher - Ferrari 1:09.150
2014 Pole Felipe Massa - Williams-Mercedes 1:08.759

2003 full tank, 2014 on fumes.

Yeah, a better comparison would be 2002 - where Barrichello was on pole with a 1:08.082. So effectively in 12 years the cars have got 0.7 seconds slower!