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[racechick]

This is the Ferrari support thread isn't it?

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OMYGOD why did I say all that in the Ferrari support thread??? I forgot what thread it was...well I maybe didn't look, don't know, sometimes I just get carried away and say things.

[sagi58]

So... having different battles, up and down the grid, is more entertaining
than having more drivers fighting for the podium?

For the time being there's going to be one podium position open, unless one or both of the silver arrows falters, crashes or DNFs. So you're only going to have room for small group of contenders vying for that third step.

Exactly! I should have worded that differently, and been less political about it!!
But, the question remains, IF you're not a Mercedes fan, just how entertaining is
it going to be, if it's just Hamilton and Rosberg fighting for 1st and 2nd and only
3rd being "open"? Sure, I will admit the racing on Sunday was quite exciting; but,
how long will it be before it wears thin on the nerves, again IF you're not a Mercedes
fan? After all, we were all quite peeved that it was usually Vettel at Red Bull winning,
the last few years with the rest of the pack left to work for the two bottom steps.

[sagi58]

So... having different battles, up and down the grid, is more entertaining
than having more drivers fighting for the podium?

We have had Redbull, McLaren, Force India (and Williams had ample opportunity) on the podium in just 3 races, how many more drivers need to be involved?

Pardon me, I guess I should be more blunt, since being political hasn't done the trick.

So... having different battles, up and down the grid, is more entertaining than having more drivers fighting for the top two steps on the podium?

Better?

Doesn't matter who's fighting for the top two steps, if they are racing one another for it it's more than good enough. Beyond that, you're looking at fanatism which isn't = racing. We're after all, racing fans first, correct?

Really? So, if you had two equally strong cars with four equally strong drivers, the racing wouldn't be
"more than good enough"? Actually, wouldn't it be more competitive because then the teams would
have to work for the WCC on the track, rather than on the drawing boards and in the factory?

[sagi58]

This is the Ferrari support thread isn't it?

OMYGOD why did I say all that in the Ferrari support thread??? I forgot what thread it was...well I maybe didn't look, don't know, sometimes I just get carried away and say things.

Considering the number of threads on the forum, it's understandable that you can make quickly make
a heartfelt response to a quote has been posted in the wrong thread, without checking first!

[What's Burning?]

So... having different battles, up and down the grid, is more entertaining
than having more drivers fighting for the podium?

For the time being there's going to be one podium position open, unless one or both of the silver arrows falters, crashes or DNFs. So you're only going to have room for small group of contenders vying for that third step.

Exactly! I should have worded that differently, and been less political about it!!
But, the question remains, IF you're not a Mercedes fan, just how entertaining is
it going to be, if it's just Hamilton and Rosberg fighting for 1st and 2nd and only
3rd being "open"? Sure, I will admit the racing on Sunday was quite exciting; but,
how long will it be before it wears thin on the nerves, again IF you're not a Mercedes
fan? After all, we were all quite peeved that it was usually Vettel at Red Bull winning,
the last few years with the rest of the pack left to work for the two bottom steps.

I think you're answering your own question here. It had been only Vettel. Sunday was both Hamilton and Nico. I think there's enough there to keep everyone engaged. The Hamilton fans of course and those that don't think very highly of him.

I kid though. Force India, Williams, Red Bull and McLaren all fighting for a podium is pretty exciting stuff. I know that if Ferrari was contending, it wouldn't even cross your mind but give it time. There's a test tomorrow and teams don't usually find their groove foe the season until the first wave of flyaways are over.

[sagi58]

So... having different battles, up and down the grid, is more entertaining
than having more drivers fighting for the podium?

For the time being there's going to be one podium position open, unless one or both of the silver arrows falters, crashes or DNFs. So you're only going to have room for small group of contenders vying for that third step.

Exactly! I should have worded that differently, and been less political about it!!
But, the question remains, IF you're not a Mercedes fan, just how entertaining is
it going to be, if it's just Hamilton and Rosberg fighting for 1st and 2nd and only
3rd being "open"? Sure, I will admit the racing on Sunday was quite exciting; but,
how long will it be before it wears thin on the nerves, again IF you're not a Mercedes
fan? After all, we were all quite peeved that it was usually Vettel at Red Bull winning,
the last few years with the rest of the pack left to work for the two bottom steps.

I think you're answering your own question here. It had been only Vettel. Sunday was both Hamilton and Nico. I think there's enough there to keep everyone engaged. The Hamilton fans of course and those that don't think very highly of him.

I kid though. Force India, Williams, Red Bull and McLaren all fighting for a podium is pretty exciting stuff. I know that if Ferrari was contending, it wouldn't even cross your mind but give it time. There's a test tomorrow and teams don't usually find their groove foe the season until the first wave of flyaways are over.

To be honest with you, I wasn't watching F1 when Ferrari was dominant in the sport!
I have read about it and heard about it; but, I wasn't "there". Having said that, all I
would like is for the cars to be more evenly matched. Last year, all we heard about
was how Red Bull was "cheating" because they had a 2-second car; yet, there hasn't
been anyone saying anything negative about the 3-second car that Hamilton was in
on Sunday. Now, you'll have to forgive me when I say, I see very little difference in
the two situations.

Your response will obviously be that it's because I'm a Ferrari fan and that might be
true, to some extent; but, in reality, what's the point of having a racing series when
all you have at the front is the one team? And, saying that Ferrari had their turn and
now it's Mercedes' turn really does not make it any more acceptable.

[sagi58]

... Sunday was both Hamilton and Nico. I think there's enough there to keep everyone engaged. The Hamilton fans of course and those that don't think very highly of him. ...

It may have been Hamilton and Rosberg fighting for first; but, let's face it, if Rosberg
had won, although Mercedes would be celebrated, the comments would not be about
him being a racing "god", rather they'd be about how "lucky" he'd been that he chose
a different tire strategy and how "lucky" he'd been the SC came out, etc.

[racechick]

... Sunday was both Hamilton and Nico. I think there's enough there to keep everyone engaged. The Hamilton fans of course and those that don't think very highly of him. ...

It may have been Hamilton and Rosberg fighting for first; but, let's face it, if Rosberg
had won, although Mercedes would be celebrated, the comments would not be about
him being a racing "god", rather they'd be about how "lucky" he'd been that he chose
a different tire strategy and how "lucky" he'd been the SC came out, etc.

Rosberg was lucky with the safety car and Lewis was unlucky. I didn't think Lewis would hang on to that place with the tyres they were on but he did. It wAs racing at its best from the two of them, and it still would have been had Rosberg found a way past
Lewis was unlucky in race one. that's the way it goes.

[What's Burning?]

... Sunday was both Hamilton and Nico. I think there's enough there to keep everyone engaged. The Hamilton fans of course and those that don't think very highly of him. ...

It may have been Hamilton and Rosberg fighting for first; but, let's face it, if Rosberg
had won, although Mercedes would be celebrated, the comments would not be about
him being a racing "god", rather they'd be about how "lucky" he'd been that he chose
a different tire strategy and how "lucky" he'd been the SC came out, etc.

Rosberg should by all accounts have won. I thought he'd win, Hamilton thought it would take a miracle for him to hold onto his lead, the incredible thing is that he did make that miracle happen. If Nico had won it would have been what everyone expected, so you're 100% correct! the comments wouldn't have been about him being a god. Sorry to have brought Nico and Hamilton into a Ferrari thread, just trying to answer your question.

And BTW, I think we all want Ferrari fighting at the front as well. So get them to get cracking!

[What's Burning?]

One more thing Sagi, I thought you'd find this amusing given your statements. The inaugural GP in Bahrain was won by Schumacher with Barrichello second, with everyone else fighting for third.

Take solace, as Bogie would say we'll always have Paris.

[Roth]

... Sunday was both Hamilton and Nico. I think there's enough there to keep everyone engaged. The Hamilton fans of course and those that don't think very highly of him. ...

It may have been Hamilton and Rosberg fighting for first; but, let's face it, if Rosberg
had won, although Mercedes would be celebrated, the comments would not be about
him being a racing "god", rather they'd be about how "lucky" he'd been that he chose
a different tire strategy and how "lucky" he'd been the SC came out, etc.

Well Rosberg would have been lucky. Infact he was very lucky with the SC. It would have been a victory in large part born of luck - just another victory, and that's racing. So when all that goes against you, as in Hamilton's case, and you still win it's something very special.

As for the one dominant team theory. Yes, it can ruin a w/e if you're not a supporter of that outfit if you let it, but it's only been three races. With RB and Ferrari it was the better part of five years each. That's a huge difference right there. That's ten yrs of my GP watching effectively reduced to 'who doesn't come first?' today. But I still watched, because I don't nail my flag to any team, and filter the result through their success or failure. Maybe because I see it as a driver not a manufacturer sport I'm able to enjoy more races than not. It's gutting to watch Vettel run away with crown after crown when superior drivers struggle in his wake. It's also frustrating when people equate that success with driver skill. But things are square in my head as to how that success is earned, and how it's no barometer of skill. So you apply that barometer elsewhere, seeing where a driver has come relative to his car and the people around him. It's why we hail Hulkenberg or Ricciardo. It's largely why we don't like all the whingers - Massa, Horner, Vettel, Ferrari - the people who think they deserve to be at the pinnacle regardless.

[spankyham]

As Jabber has previously pointed out, lets return this to a Ferrari thread. Discussions and points about the exciting/great race we just had should be in the race thread.

We now return you to our regularly scheduled program.....

[sagi58]

...Sorry to have brought Nico and Hamilton into a Ferrari thread, just trying to answer your question...

It's difficult not to have overlaps in the threads, as far as I'm concerned!
It's even more difficult to make comparisons without a dollop of personal
bias and you've done that with class! Thanks for answering my question.

...And BTW, I think we all want Ferrari fighting at the front as well. So get them to get cracking!

I'm cracking my ; but, I think I'm going to have to start swearing in Italian!!

[sagi58]

One more thing Sagi, I thought you'd find this amusing given your statements. The inaugural GP in Bahrain was won by Schumacher with Barrichello second, with everyone else fighting for third.

Take solace, as Bogie would say we'll always have Paris.

Very cool!! Just wondering, did they have 24 seconds in hand, at the end of the race?

p.s. I've already googled it and the answer is a resounding "no"! Everyone finished the
race (bar Kimi) within six minutes of Schumi crossing the line!! 5.648m to be exact!

[Roth]

One more thing Sagi, I thought you'd find this amusing given your statements. The inaugural GP in Bahrain was won by Schumacher with Barrichello second, with everyone else fighting for third.

Take solace, as Bogie would say we'll always have Paris.

Very cool!! Just wondering, did they have 24 seconds in hand, at the end of the race?

p.s. I've already googled it and the answer is a resounding "no"! Everyone finished the
race (bar Kimi) within six minutes of Schumi crossing the line!! 5.648m to be exact!

It was the season MS won 12 of the first 13 races.