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[LRW]

.....The cars were laughably slow.....

There was a 3 second gap between last years fastest lap and this years. Can you really notice that difference with the naked eye? I personally don't think so. Definitely not to the point to call it 'laughable'.

[CookinFlat6]

I think the cornering speed difference is very noticeable. And the lap time difference is masked by the higher top speeds. But yes, in a straight line we dont really notice a few MPH, although ironically, the straight line speeds have actually increased anyway.

When at a race circuit and you see different series, like GP2 and then F1, its the cornering speeds and the change of direction through chicanes etc that convey the impression of speed the most and even on TV its clearly noticeable

[What's Burning?]

The irony is that with all the railing against the engines, if you added more rear tire like a lot of the teams wanted we'd have equal lap times.

[bud]

[youtube]jS4Dh_EAfJI[/youtube]

[CookinFlat6]

The mechanical complexity of high revving engines that was unique to F1 and worked on the brain at a n almost primeval level is gone. Its not so much the volume decrease, its the complexity that the brain could barely digest thats gone, I think it was the source of a lot of magic if F1 and its a dangerous step for the track promoters

[zurich_allan]

Am I the only person who actually likes the new engine sound? I made up my mind within about 10 minutes of FP1 that I prefer it to the high pitched whining of the engines from the past decade or so. I always preferred the deeper grunt of the engines from the 80s up until the late 90s, and whilst it's definitely not returned to that, I much prefer it over the sound of a demented lawnmower that we've had to endure until this year... in my opinion...

[Hammer278]

No, there is something big missing in the sounds. Unfortunately, it seems quite a lot of people prefer to curl up in a ball and cry instead of trying to adjust to the new formula new challenges it gives today.

I hated the sound during winter testing, but right now I'm almost indifferent to it. On TV you hear the commentators talk more than the engine noise anyway.....I'll be going to the circuit in a week and half's time so I'll judge the new sound as a viewer. But from TV which is where most of the viewership counts, I find it fine and the added elements like tyre noises and turbos make it interesting.

[What's Burning?]

Am I the only person who actually likes the new engine sound? I made up my mind within about 10 minutes of FP1 that I prefer it to the high pitched whining of the engines from the past decade or so. I always preferred the deeper grunt of the engines from the 80s up until the late 90s, and whilst it's definitely not returned to that, I much prefer it over the sound of a demented lawnmower that we've had to endure until this year... in my opinion...

If F1 develops a means of extracting more power from less resources, people would still complain about it not sounding right or the cars being ugly. Sometimes the big picture matters but it's not immediately obvious to all.

[1Lemon]

I like all the sounds of the new cars, except for the start before the lights went out. It didn't have the same kind of drama and anticipation beforehand because it sounded, on the TV at least, like a bunch of trucks revving up.

[spankyham]

If F1 develops a means of extracting more power from less resources, people would still complain about it not sounding right or the cars being ugly. Sometimes the big picture matters but it's not immediately obvious to all.

If F1's big picture is about being frugal that may well be right. Should we apply the same to tires? Make tires 40% narrower and have to last a complete race. That would certainly be extracting more power from less resources.

[What's Burning?]

If F1 develops a means of extracting more power from less resources, people would still complain about it not sounding right or the cars being ugly. Sometimes the big picture matters but it's not immediately obvious to all.

If F1's big picture is about being frugal that may well be right. Should we apply the same to tires? Make tires 40% narrower and have to last a complete race. That would certainly be extracting more power from less resources.

But tires have gotten narrower and more grippy. I do agree the how long the last aspect is artificial, but nary a mention of tires happens in OZ, the tires lasted a long time, even the softer compounds and there was absolutely no clag.

I can see your point Spanky, and this is something that we can be passionate about, but I still say you're not giving it enough time. You know F1 in a handful of years will be getting more speed out of these cars all while using 30% less fuel. That's not a bad thing even if the sound isn't echoing in your chest as the cars pass by.

[RichieRooster]

http://m.skysports.com/article/formula1//9219811

So Bernie is horrified by the sound of the engines and has had complaints from Oz GP organisers. This saga isn't going away any time soon. Apparently Bernie already in talks with Todt to make them louder, quickly. Expectations seem to be that they could sound different by Spain.
Although, I vind it hard to believe Ecclestone would be "sorry to be proved right"

[bud]

Spanky is right, if they want to be all about efficiency then tyres should last a whole race like in 05.
Wasting rubber is not environmentally friendly.

[atommo]

Am I the only person who actually likes the new engine sound? I made up my mind within about 10 minutes of FP1 that I prefer it to the high pitched whining of the engines from the past decade or so. I always preferred the deeper grunt of the engines from the 80s up until the late 90s, and whilst it's definitely not returned to that, I much prefer it over the sound of a demented lawnmower that we've had to endure until this year... in my opinion...

I also like the sound of the new engines. However, after seeing the video posted by bud I can see why some people might not like them as much. I have only viewed F1 from a TV, so I have never had a proper experience of the "magic". However, to me the new engines sound pretty awesome. I like the rumble they give off, a bit like GT cars. Also, when you are viewing the onboard camera, I love it when you can hear the turbo kicking in.

[bud]

I don't know if everyone here's been to GPs before but there's something special about feeling the raw power of the engines vibrate through you, hearing the car seconds before it gets to you then feeling it rip your ear drums a new one.

Bare in mind I have been attending GPs since the mid 80s so have heard turbo cars before. Whilst I did not go this year ( stupid trip to Japan planned next month) my mate who I go with every year said he was disappointed at how loud they were. The local V8 series was louder and that's the support act...

So to my original point about hearing the engines, the thrills gone. And it's not like the change from 3ltr V10 to 2.4ltr V8 where it was still loud, now it sounds like a formula ford!