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[racechick]

I think what WB is saying is that it wasn't ignorance but calculation that led to Red Bull acting as they did.

[spankyham]

If Ricciardo was "consistently" over the 100kh/h fuel limit, and he only had 100kg of fuel, doesn't that mean he would have run out at some stage?

The cars are all fueled with well over 100kg of fuel when they are sent it to race. I read on another forum that they will have about 105+ kg. That's made up of 100 for the race, plus the out lap, formation lap, in lap, fuel sample plus some extra a margin of error.


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[spankyham]

I think what WB is saying is that it wasn't ignorance but calculation that led to Red Bull acting as they did.

The rules say you can't exceed the amount or flow rate as measured by the sensor. So DQ had to be applied.

I don't think that is the point. The point is that rule forced Mag to stop racing. We all heard this clear instructions. Absolutely ridiculous IMO. For me it's no different to the tires last year.


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[stonemonkey]

I think what WB is saying is that it wasn't ignorance but calculation that led to Red Bull acting as they did.

The rules say you can't exceed the amount or flow rate as measured by the sensor. So DQ had to be applied.

I don't think that is the point. The point is that rule forced Mag to stop racing. We all heard this clear instructions. Absolutely ridiculous IMO. For me it's no different to the tires last year.


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They slowed him down for a couple of laps towards the end for fuel saving, it happened before they brought in the restrictions too.

[myownalias]

This flow rate issue has really soured the whole event for me; a better solution would have been to have 100KG of fuel when they leave the pits and allow the teams to use that fuel as they see fit; the 100KG limit is harsh enough!

[spankyham]

I think what WB is saying is that it wasn't ignorance but calculation that led to Red Bull acting as they did.

The rules say you can't exceed the amount or flow rate as measured by the sensor. So DQ had to be applied.

I don't think that is the point. The point is that rule forced Mag to stop racing. We all heard this clear instructions. Absolutely ridiculous IMO. For me it's no different to the tires last year.


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They slowed him down for a couple of laps towards the end for fuel saving, it happened before they brought in the restrictions too.

Not really, because previously teams could add as much fuel as they liked and could burn it at whatever flow rate they wanted. If someone had to save fuel it was because the team didn't put enough fuel in - as in it was the teams choice or mistake. Now teams are being mandated to conserve first race second IMO. Still, I'm the dinosaur and in the minority here and, as much as I don't like it, the rules are the same for all - just as long as we don't have a repeat of last years mid-season rule change.

[spankyham]

This flow rate issue has really soured the whole event for me; a better solution would have been to have 100KG of fuel when they leave the pits and allow the teams to use that fuel as they see fit; the 100KG limit is harsh enough!

I agree, although I'd send them out with a few more kgs to do the out, formation and in lap as well as the fuel sample - as I mentioned earlier, someone over at F1technical (I think that's where I read it) did the calculation and came up with about 105Kgs. They could implement that for next year and eliminate the fuel sensor completely.

[spankyham]

Complaining about the lack of speed in these cars is ridiculously stupid.

Perhaps you could make your point in a less aggressive and far less offensive manner?


Personally I don't like seeing the cars get slower and slower. I guess those who are satisfied with that level of performance are luckier than me.

[killem2]

That was an ok race. I hope we get reliability under control.

[LewEngBridewell]

Well, after my interest came dangerously close to waning towards the end of last season, I thought this race was brilliant!

As I've said before, I love this new era of F1, love the twitching cars, the sound of the engines, the unreliability. Some excellent racing today, I know some people still go on and on about DRS, but the processions of the late 2000s are still too clear in my memory, and I love the fact that faster cars can get past and get on with the job!

McLaren did a great job, and they have a star in Magnussen. They employed a great strategy with Button to get him back where he belonged, after being screwed over in qualifying with the yellow flag.

Daniel Ricciardo sent the crowd wild, so it's very disappointing to learn that he's been disqualified. Hopefully he'll bounce back from this, as he has clear speed.

Merc... will take some beating...

[killem2]

I am all about car failing, but jesus, not even making it half a dozen laps before they do is ridiculous.

[Roth]

Personally I don't like seeing the cars get slower and slower. I guess those who are satisfied with that level of performance are luckier than me.

You keep comparing random engine times. Ten yrs ago V10 engines were at the peak of that particular evolution. At the start, in 2000, times were similar to what we're seeing now.

Last yrs GP didn't have much faster lap times when they could drive the cars with considerably more confidence. Did you complain last year that times weren't as fast as 2004, or is it just a convenient stick to bash the current state of F1? The fastest lap at the first Albert Park in '96 was as a second slower than yesterday. So would you say it has gone nowhere in almost twenty years?

Engines are getting smaller and cars are maintaining a status quo in times. That's technology and smart people being smart. We only had tinkering the last four yrs and look where it got us - some very dull swathes of races. If you're only appreciating the sport for pure speed, as someone else said, go and watch drag racing. It's like complaining that, becasue you're a titty man, Miss World's boobs aren't big enough.

[spankyham]

Last yrs GP didn't have much faster lap times when they could drive the cars with considerably more confidence. Did you complain last year that times weren't as fast as 2004, or is it just a convenient stick to bash the current state of F1?

I complained about it last year.

The fastest lap at the first Albert Park in '96 was as a second slower than yesterday. So would you say it has gone nowhere in almost twenty years?

Yes

Engines are getting smaller and cars are maintaining a status quo in times. That's technology and smart people being smart. We only had tinkering the last four yrs and look where it got us - some very dull swathes of races. If you're only appreciating the sport for pure speed, as someone else said, go and watch drag racing.

For me F1 should be about the pinnacle of motor sports racing and I don't believe we are anywhere near that ATM.

It's like complaining that, becasue you're a titty man, Miss World's boobs aren't big enough.

I guess the titty man is entitled to his view as much as anyone else.

I think far too much is being made of this. It is what it is and it won't change in the foreseeable future.

[Hammer278]

There's always a choice to just stop following the sport and filling the time with something you like, if the sport isn't doing anything for you anymore. More positive energy for you, and also others who still manage to see the good parts in it.

[Roth]

The general speed of the sport hasn't changed in 25 yrs. Vettel's pole at Monza last year was within three-hundredths of Senna's '89 time, and they got quicker still in the following years. It fluctuates within the parameters of the regs - they progress they get pulled back. The pinnacle of motor sport racing isn't just about speed. I don't really know what you want without comprimising other things like safety, or watchability. Processional cars going around insanely fast with extreme downforce to stick it to the track is less exciting than finding an equilibrium in pace with better racing capabilities. This is the pinnacle of motorsport and it's all out there on the track. To design within strict parameters is more rewarding than giving a lot of leeway to do whatever you want. It's just not always obvious how clever you've been to get to that point.