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[darwin dali]

and if you think Alonso has 6 tenths on Piquet go look at the lap classifications on Bahrain.

Remember that FA drove most of the race with a damaged rear wing (missing end plate) from LH's indiscretion, so those times are not really providing a true picture...

[bud]

and if you think Alonso has 6 tenths on Piquet go look at the lap classifications on Bahrain.

Remember that FA drove most of the race with a damaged rear wing (missing end plate) from LH's indiscretion, so those times are not really providing a true picture...

Yes true but, didnt Symonds say the chunk out the rear wing didnt make any difference? let alone 6 tenth differece

[darwin dali]

and if you think Alonso has 6 tenths on Piquet go look at the lap classifications on Bahrain.

Remember that FA drove most of the race with a damaged rear wing (missing end plate) from LH's indiscretion, so those times are not really providing a true picture...

Yes true but, didnt Symonds say the chunk out the rear wing didnt make any difference? let alone 6 tenth differece

Well, one could also state that BECAUSE FA was at the wheel, the Renault dog wasn't any slower with the handicap since FA gave it a 6 tenths boost

[6thsecondfaster]

1) where are Lewis' superior passing skills?? he couldn't nail Jarno, made Fisi look really good and broke his nose with Alonso.
2) Massa makes a mistake (or two ) and the world questions his seat. Lewis makes mistakes: and the team blame themselves.

Just because I'm not praising Mclaren or Lewis doesnt mean I think Alonso is a saviour. But not everything is always cristal clear so some bit of subjective realism helps

youre talking about a bloke on a heavy fuel load after his crash with Alonso and a bloke who had a damaged car and youre taking a swipe at him for having issues with passing slower cars?
you should try your subjective realism sometime but then youd have to take back that comment

Sorry bud, but by the time Lewis reach Fishi, I doubt that his fuel load was a factor, just look how he overtook Fishi on the straight line.

[bud]

Sorry bud, but by the time Lewis reach Fishi, I doubt that his fuel load was a factor, just look how he overtook Fishi on the straight line.

whats your lame excuse for the damaged car part then?

Look at Lewis's lap times during the race they were seconds off the pace.

6th second why not write a topic in the introductions section about yourself

[6thsecondfaster]

whats your lame excuse for the damaged car part then?

Look at Lewis's lap times during the race they were seconds off the pace.

6th second why not write a topic in the introductions section about yourself

I am sure that the damaged car part affected Lewis as well as a higher than usual fuel load. But isn't possible that LH is not great at overtaking slower cars (already discounting the fact that today's car are design to make it more difficult)? As for the seconds off the pace, maybe he was conserving his engine for the next race. Mclaren is definitely missing Alonso.

[bud]

Asked if a podium finish would be possible this season, the double World Champion said: "That is impossible because we would need to gain a second and that just isn't there - that level of improvement doesn't exist.

a second level of improvement doesnt exist. Well Fernando why not atleast bring that 0.6 of a second then that 0.4 of a second deficit looks better than the 1 second no? [/quote]

[f1ea]

But these guys have been setting up cars/karts all their life they have an understanding from a drivers point of view what needs to be done. Obviously an F1 will be different to setup than the previous class but so whas that class to its previous class and so on. and guess what there is a shitload of engineers paid to setup up the car with the drivers! and im sorry to say the engineers do most of the setup work

Then why was Massa so much faster than Kimi?? yes, it could be that Kimi is 'bad' at driving the circuit. But according to Kimi himself he struggled with the set-up. So hey, sometimes a driver's ability to set-up put him in a better situation than even his teammate.

youre talking about a bloke on a heavy fuel load after his crash with Alonso and a bloke who had a damaged car and youre taking a swipe at him for having issues with passing slower cars?
you should try your subjective realism sometime but then youd have to take back that comment

And you're talking about a bloke you and the british press defend no matter what the situation... so when things like the the broken nose and the fumbles happen, you and the british press have to come up with elaborate theories and conspiracies; instead of simply taking the comments back or taking it in the chin.

[6thsecondfaster]

And you're talking about a bloke you and the british press defend no matter what the situation... so when things like the the broken nose and the fumbles happen, you and the british press have to come up with elaborate theories and conspiracies; instead of simply taking the comments back or taking it in the chin.

Great comment there, f1ea. I am sick of hearing ITV commentators and RD lauding LH. Any present f1 driver can be very fast in a fast car. But there is this enormous bias towards LH just because he drove a really good car last year. To be fair, the Spanish press is probably not any better than the British. LH will not be welcome with open arms next race (remember the winter testing).

[texasmr2]

And you're talking about a bloke you and the british press defend no matter what the situation... so when things like the the broken nose and the fumbles happen, you and the british press have to come up with elaborate theories and conspiracies; instead of simply taking the comments back or taking it in the chin.

I just checked out GOOGLE "Earth" as well as the NASA website and the International Space Station relayed a message: "Houston we have a problem, there is a GIANT McLaren banner wrapped around the planet we so have decided to stay here because we all drive Ferrari's"!

I'm just messing around and having fun so please dont take this post any other way ok ?

[bud]

Then why was Massa so much faster than Kimi?? yes, it could be that Kimi is 'bad' at driving the circuit. But according to Kimi himself he struggled with the set-up. So hey, sometimes a driver's ability to set-up put him in a better situation than even his teammate.

like cars some circuits suit a drivers abiltiy more than others. thats common knowledge though

And you're talking about a bloke you and the british press defend no matter what the situation... so when things like the the broken nose and the fumbles happen, you and the british press have to come up with elaborate theories and conspiracies; instead of simply taking the comments back or taking it in the chin.

No i stick up against bullpoo dude! Yeah Hamilton had a s*** race but who hasnt? every champion has even the beloved Hamilton haters main man Alonso. but i can understand why they would all jump online and bag Hamilton after a s*** race, they are overjoyed but hey they wont have too much else to be happy about this year eh

[scotty]

I know some of these points have, in a way, been made in other posts but anyway...

This whole Alonso 'bringing 6 tenths' thing... Maybe he exagerrated slightly, i but i think (mainly) his technical ability could warrant saying that. It's bigheaded but probably true. Last year McLaren challenged at most races, this season... hmm... i'm not sure if they would have won in Melbourne if Raikonnen could have qualified properly and Massa wasn't a crap driver. But then at the same time, they completely took advantage of that situation, so all credit to them. Also, they've had 2 'crap races' and are still only 2 points off the top of the constructors table.

However, the fact still remains that Ferrari look dominant and BMW seem to be coming into the mix at the front. Still, it's early days and it could all change completely.

Has Alonso taken '6th tenths' to Renault? Well, they have a new aero package on the way for Spain, which i guess will tell us a lot, in the same way that McLaren's new package will show some of their ongoing developmental capability now Alonso is gone. I think it's funny how Honda are faster than Renualt this season, given what they had to work with from last year.

[darwin dali]

so please dont take this post any other way ok ?

Hm, what did you have in mind? In what other way could I possibly take it? Up my arse?

[al4x]

im hoping the aero package brings about 10 secs a lap!

[Mikep99]

Gascoyne unimpressed with Hamilton gesture
Pundits surprised about Hamilton's recent form

Mike Gascoyne, the Force India technical boss, says Giancarlo Fisichella's defeat of Lewis Hamilton in the recent Bahrain Grand Prix provided an extra sense of satisfaction.

Earlier in the Sakhir race, it emerges that during Hamilton's nightmare recovery from his poor start and collisions with Fernando Alonso, he waved his fist at Fisichella, the Roman veteran.

"I don't know why he did that," Gascoyne told the Swiss publication Motorsport Aktuell.

"Fisichella was fighting with him for position, and he can't expect to just be let past.

"The gesture was totally unnecessary," Gascoyne added, "so it was especially good to be in front of him at the end."

Former triple world champion Niki Lauda was also unimpressed with 23-year-old Hamilton's errors in Bahrain, which culminated in his loss of the championship lead.

"At the moment he does not impress me," the great Austrian observed.

"I thought he would become better this year but he has become worse.

"He is in pretty bad shape," Lauda added.

Former German racer Hans-Joachim Stuck is slightly more sympathetic, reckoning that the pressure is perhaps too high for a driver in his second season.

"The pressure on him is enormous," he told Germany's Bild newspaper.

"He is the team leader at McLaren-Mercedes and has so much hype surrounding him.

"F1 is on such a high level that even tiny errors are punished harshly," Stuck added.

Source: GMM
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What a difference a year makes.
2007 he could do no wrong, now 3 races into 2008 and he is getting hammered.
Massa bounced back & proved the doubters wrong including me & Hammy needs to do the same in the next few races, which I am sure he and McLaren are more than capable of.

But I do think the honeymoon period is well and truly over for him and the Knives are out.