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By racechick
#391591
After a busy week, I come on the forum to find the two threads I probably post most in are locked. The Lewis and the Jenson thread. Come on guys and gals!! Why the angst? Why have a go at each other for holding differing views? This is a forum. You can like someone who disagrees with you.
Which brings me to my plea......how about over the next couple of weeks, everyone tries to have a pleasant exchange with a forum member they find difficult? That does NOT mean come on this thread and be patronising. It means generally in the course of discussions make a positive comment to that person. Any chance we can do that?
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By zurich_allan
#391592
I completely agree. I've followed the exchanges on a number of threads lately and cannot understand why people feel the need to constantly go round in a viscious circle. Why can't people just agree to disagree and then let it lie? Some people seem to feel the need to try to change everybody else's opinion to suit their own, and will NOT give up until they do... even though they can't and won't... And so threads degenerate to slanging and continue until locked.

Some people need to take a long hard look at themselves and exercise some restraint once in a while - post your opinion or reaction once or twice and then walk away.

This may sound patronising, but it's not, it's just the cold hard truth.
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By geetface9
#391593
I don't mean to toot my own horn. I usually post my opinions/thoughts/etc. a time or two and then let it lie if somebody takes it beyond healthy debate. I wish more people were like that. "Hey, here's my point." "I don't agree, and here's why." "Oh I see, I disagree." "ok cool, we disagree, word. :shakehands: "
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By bud
#391599
well it is obvious that there is more to it than just having differing views, for it's one thing to dislike a certain driver but another to continually post hateful s***.
I mean the fact you ( A Lewis fan) admit you post a lot in the Jenson thread when you obviously don't like him says it all.

I don't even bother opening that thread anymore, what is the point when its all just the same old negative s*** about Jenson? what is the point in debating that? I say keep them locked and maybe people will move on and get over their issues.
By Hammer278
#391600
Everyone's got differing opinions, the problem is when some people just can't say "ok I just can't see it that way but let's move on", instead it's all accusations and veiled attacks on others making valid points with facts.....and this causes a lot of bitterness.

Let's not forget those who "left the forum" but return once in a blue moon to spit some more insults and then ride their tricycle away again in a hurry. :bs:

Btw, why not delete the last 2-3 pages of both threads and unlock the threads with a stern warning (maybe a 2 week trip) for the next offender? That might go some way, right now all we see are two popular threads locked and everyone's in a huff.
By LRW
#391613
I mean the fact you ( A Lewis fan) admit you post a lot in the Jenson thread when you obviously don't like him says it all.


I dont think it says anything. Are you saying only fans of Jenson can post in the thread?

lolz. you make me chuckle.
By CookinFlat6
#391618
What I dont get is this; Someone sees a post or banter about (driver/team) they dont like, instead of ignore it they attempt to challenge it or discredit it or out banterise it (Ronspeak). When this doesnt work they then start crying about not being allowed to state their opinion.

If my opinion is that (driver/team) latest public statement is (this) and yours is that it isnt state yours, ignore mine or just move on. Why attack my opinion without success then start crying that I am ignoring your opinion. Why should I change my opinion to make you feel better?

Then we got the argument that if you are biased against a particular (driver/team) and pick up on and voice negative opinions more than on others, that you should stop voicing your opinions 'because someone has seen it many times before and doesnt bother reading the thread' yet at the same time this person is most likely first to admit they are biased for another (driver/team) and prefer to hear only positive things about them.

So which is it? Dont voice negative opinions about (driver/team) and positive pinions about (driver/team) because it upsets me, although I do the same thing, except just not in the attention to detail and relentlessness you do it
I will banter about my team but you cant because you are way too passionate and do the same in more detail?

Finally, we have threads that are silent even though there are news out there relating to the theme. But we would rather no one contributes unless its positive and acceptable to a minority who moan and bitch. And this in no way is censorship of the type many a dictatorship would be proud of?

Its like a country saying 'we will only allow our citizens to read things and sites on the internet that are acceptable and positive about our regime' The fact that positive and negative things can be said and that people can make their own minds what is the truth is not enough. No we must tell them what the truth is by only allowing them to read what we say is the truth - positive things about (driver/team) but if negative and true - well thats just not on.

Now there arent any countries who would act this way are there? if so are they democracies?

But its ok for an F1 forum to do this because of the egos of a few whinging bitches (degenderised term) who are not opposed to bantering themselves BUT ONLY IF THEY WIN. If they dont or cant then it becomes spoiling tactics, 'oh I dont even bother reading this thread about (driver/team)' or 'oh I am not allowed my opinion, because even though I didnt have one and failed in my attempt to discredit anothers, they are not just changing their post to make me feel better' and the best one of all 'I am off to another forum where members dont act like this to me, lets say the biggest of all, Autosport' then come back after discovering that its exactly the same except on a much bigger scale and where you are likely to hear your (driver/team) dissected and opinionerised on a scale and in detail that is almost poetic in its thoroughness.

Double standards, ad hominem attacks = cant beat them, not smart enough to join them :thumbup:

edit: If I say something negative about your (driver/team) its not to make you feel bad, but to make by self feel better - to stand on by soapbox and propose an opinion, a view and to see if their are any who agree and want to discuss. And if I do this 1x or 10x, providing its valid, i.e new info that is true, then thats what a discussion forum is about.
Not 'I will ignore news about (driver/team) and will not put forward my opinion because it might upset a few and I will wait till the media are discussing this before its safe to mention it'
Nope the best I can do is promise not to make things up or spread falsities about (driver/team) as I proceed to point out the latest evidence of their activities that I feel can be aired in advance of waiting for the media to do so. And I promise not to critisce or go ad hominem on another member as I proceed to rip a hole in their fave (driver/team)
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By What's Burning?
#391619
Look at the bright side bud, at least there's positive stuff being posted on the McLaren thread now. :D
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By Jabberwocky
#391645
He funny part in all this is that some people are so hypocritical about what they have posted in this thread.

Let's just post our opinions on these subjects and move on.

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By What's Burning?
#391647
He funny part in all this is that some people are so hypocritical about what they have posted in this thread.
Let's just post our opinions on these subjects and move on.

Perhaps you could rephrase that?
By CookinFlat6
#391652
He funny part in all this is that some people are so hypocritical about what they have posted in this thread.

Let's just post our opinions on these subjects and move on.

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So in a thread that is a plea for all to accept others opinions, some opinions can be said to be hypocritical instead of being accepted for what they are. And we should just post our opinions and move on, even if ofcourse they are in the opinion of some hypocritical
So lets post our opinions on others opinions and move on, before this becomes a circular discussion on the validity of some of the opinions to prevent hypocrisy :thumbup:
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By sagi58
#391655
After a busy week, I come on the forum to find the two threads I probably post most in are locked. The Lewis and the Jenson thread. Come on guys and gals!! Why the angst? Why have a go at each other for holding differing views? This is a forum. You can like someone who disagrees with you.
Which brings me to my plea......how about over the next couple of weeks, everyone tries to have a pleasant exchange with a forum member they find difficult? That does NOT mean come on this thread and be patronising. It means generally in the course of discussions make a positive comment to that person. Any chance we can do that?


Great idea... in theory... :thumbup: Doesn't seem to have worked, yet...
Let me have a go:

Cookin: I admire your tenacity and believe you would have made a great lawyer!
I don't necessarily agree with HOW you phrase your comments, as they can be seen to be "attacks";
however, I do think it's great that you're not about to back down from your convictions!!
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By Jabberwocky
#391656
He funny part in all this is that some people are so hypocritical about what they have posted in this thread.

Let's just post our opinions on these subjects and move on.

Sent using NCC-1701


So in a thread that is a plea for all to accept others opinions, some opinions can be said to be hypocritical instead of being accepted for what they are. And we should just post our opinions and move on, even if ofcourse they are in the opinion of some hypocritical
So lets post our opinions on others opinions and move on, before this becomes a circular discussion on the validity of some of the opinions to prevent hypocrisy :thumbup:

I meant in other threads we should just post our thoughts and opinions and then move in if people disagree they disagree.

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By sagi58
#391657
One for Hammer:

I applaud you for your sense of loyalty to Cookin, even if it makes you look like his tag-team partner, at times!!

I particularly like your sense of humour, which I think would make you a great person to have a coffee with!!
((Or tea, even!!))
By What's Burning?
#391661
RC, I kind of like it when you post scantily clad pictures of yourself. :blush:

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