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[CookinFlat6]

She claimed Lewis left for reasons other than those he stated - which are those apparent to all lewis followers.When asked what these were she claimed they were hidden and not black and white
She was invited to offer her opinion on these hidden complex non black and white things
For once she tried to support her somewhat negative view of why Lewis followers missed the grey hidden areas

And came up with

more money

This is negative and without foundation, and has been shown to be factually wrong

All anyone is saying is if you are gonna be negative or claim things about a driver then be prepared to back them up when challenged. Just like everything negative said about Button in his thread is always backed up with overwhelming proof. Yet attracts moaning and bitching from certain dour whinging member who turn up complaining the driver threads are not there for positive support but for discussion

[1Lemon]

All anyone is saying is if you are gonna be negative or claim things about a driver then be prepared to back them up when challenged. Just like everything negative said about Button in his thread is always backed up with overwhelming proof. Yet attracts moaning and bitching from certain dour whinging member who turn up complaining the driver threads are not there for positive support but for discussion

Anyway

She claimed Lewis left for reasons other than those he stated - which are those apparent to all lewis followers.

So you're suggesting that Lewis fans know EVERY SINGLE reason Lewis moved? Of course not, hell Lewis probably doesn't know every reason he subcociously thought up (have you ever been somewhere or done something that is perfectly acceptable but somehow it just feels wrong or that you should leave, that kind of thing) maybe he didn't like his engineer or even MW but didn't want to say it on camera or in any interview in case he leaves bad blood at McLaren and wants to return in the future. It would be ridiculous to assume that a bunch of people who read interviews/twitter and listen to sound bites understand the inner thoughts and workings of a person.

[Hammer278]

Lemonade, we know reading isn't your strong point but please put in the effort and go through the last 3 pages and come back to tell us which one of us "Lewis fans" claimed to know every single reason for his decisions. Or if any of us said he only has one sole reason for moving. Or any sentence hinting close to it.

Of course if you come back with the usual "I couldnt be bothered"...maybe don't bother claiming rubbish which didn't happen, or is hardly even the case.

[What's Burning?]

H.A.M. fans rulz 44 4eva!

[1Lemon]

Lemonade, we know reading isn't your strong point but please put in the effort and go through the last 3 pages and come back to tell us which one of us "Lewis fans" claimed to know every single reason for his decisions. Or if any of us said he only has one sole reason for moving. Or any sentence hinting close to it.

You're probably right; but, I still believe that only he knows all the reasons behind his decision!

I disagree, we (meaning his fans) all know the real reason.

WB- yes we ( as Lewis fans) know why and when it went wrong

He moved because he was not getting what he wanted at the team / what he wanted was a place he could realise his potential

I have no doubt that he moved to win another WDC(s), but I'm sure there were other factors that actually pushed him away, reasons that he thought about then Singapore tossed him over the edge as he admitted several times.

[Hammer278]

You're probably right; but, I still believe that only he knows all the reasons behind his decision!

I disagree, we (meaning his fans) all know the real reason.

WB- yes we ( as Lewis fans) know why and when it went wrong

He moved because he was not getting what he wanted at the team / what he wanted was a place he could realise his potential

I have no doubt that he moved to win another WDC(s), but I'm sure there were other factors that actually pushed him away, reasons that he thought about then Singapore tossed him over the edge as he admitted several times.

Thanks for taking the time to look through this time.

I'm not speaking for them but the argument here is reg a couple of people who brought blacknwhite into the subject claiming that Lewis had other 'major' reasons behind his decision.....I think none of us will agree that 1, and only 1 SOLE reason made up his mind.

What rc and Cookin are saying up there (correct me if I'm wrong) implies one of the main reasons or major reasons for Lewis' move. This is the disrepute, I don't get why the fans of other drivers/teams are disputing this very fact and going all "NO ITS SMTH ELSE AND WE'LL NEVER KNOW" (1 of them put forward the $$$ factor, and that wasn't even accurate)....fact is WE KNOW. You said it yourself....reasons he's thought of and then Singapore tossed him over, well what did Singapore do? Deny him a win! Deny him a good shot at the WDC!

Hence bottom line - Lewis bases his big decisions on WINNING! Career enhancement! Is this so difficult to get?

[What's Burning?]

I have no doubt that he moved to win another WDC(s), but I'm sure there were other factors that actually pushed him away, reasons that he thought about then Singapore tossed him over the edge as he admitted several times.

"We" meaning as Lewis fans know all they need to know, no one is so one dimensioned, but then again there's no one over on the Kimi thread contending why he moved from Lotus to Ferrari. Furthermore, if someone did happen to post something in the Kimi thread making that contention, there probably wouldn't be a human centipede line of people making vague statements as to how not getting paid for a year couldn't have possible been the only reason.

[CookinFlat6]

There were many contributing factors, all pointed out by the fans, for me the main one is Lewis moving from Ron's number 1 to loser TPs 'Ron's experiment' that was gonna be the junior to a lame duck disturbing wannabe pretend WDC. Loser TP was gonna show that a low maintenance lame duck could lead the team instead of Ron's volatile champion

In the end despite all the accommodating Lewis did, the fact a cowardly backstabbing lame duck was allowed to commandeer the team into trying to make a silk purse out of a sows ear was too much

Ultimately he moved because he did not feel he could achieve his ambitions in that environment. Every Lewis fan knows this, we been screaming it for 3 fricken years

To say he moved for other reasons is IRRELEVANT because those reasons existed while he was there, they did not cause him to make that decision in that hotel room. They all added up to 'I am better off somewhere else and I would rather take a year out than stay with these monkeys another year of Mickey Mouse amateurism compared to RBR etc'

Lewis followers don't need to be told there are other deeper reasons by those without knowledge and without a clue and without a shred of evidence and without a purpose beyond an incoherent irritation

[racechick]

For some reason we feel we have to cat foot round one of the major reasons why Lewis left McLaren. Lewis may be too nice to say it....but here it is....... He was pissed off with McLaren wasting time bringing a less able driver up to speed instead of putting full resources on getting championships with a driver able to deliver....that driver being Lewis Hamilton.

[CookinFlat6]

Its there in black and white

Ron built the team a certain way and achieved enormous success (FACT). He promoted Lewis, and was vindicated enough to wave goodbye to the current 2x WDC who was not able to beat Lewis. A number 2 was installed instead and the team won its first WDC. Ron was forced to hand over to a lackey and leave the paddock. What does the lacky do? Tries to do things his own way and makes a point of dismantling Rons setup. He brings in his own disturbing team leader, changes the whole structure of the team so that there is a central data sharing console instead of 2 competing consoles. He reckons he is clever to have spotted his own great driver that all the other TPs have ignored for years and even after the lucky DD WDC. So he goes about running the team with a disturbing lame duck as the poster boy with Rons explosive driver relegated to 'learning from the duck'
Guess what, it didnt work, the team was run into the ground and suffered its most humiliating season ever. And while Rons driver is LAPPING the lame duck, the whole team are still wasting time trying to stick to the vision of the lacky.
Lewis realises that the hymn sheet doesnt allow for him to do what Ron intended, Lewis realises that the lackys vision and political ambition to usurp Ron is more important than actual results, Lewis was Rons team leader but not the lackys. The lacky tries to pay the duck more money for more lameness. Ron is forced to behave in a certain way to avoid the lacky gaining total control from the ignorant majority shareholders. Lewis has no choice but to leave this maelstrom of idiocy and serial 'shooting oneself in the foot'

And then the shareholders come to their senses, and a great wrong is corrected, the lacky is terminated with extreme prejudice and treated like a cancer, cut out and discarded without a second thought.

Therefore proving that the lackys experiment was WRONG, therefore providing the reason Lewis had to leave

[operaman]

Basically I think the self-proclaimed Lewis fans are just playing the same game they take to other threads, when they attack other drivers. As far as I can see there is no criticism of Lewis here whatsoever. The criticism is of the idea that certain self-proclaimed Lewis fans KNOW what he is thinking. They claim that is one and only one reason for his move. At least that is the reason the launch into yet another boring and pointless rant. No one has criticised Lewis or called him names, unless of course you think him stupid and were offended when I called him intelligent. What a joke. Lewis himself has mentioned more than one reason for his departure, and as RC said has too much class to go into some of the other possible reasons. No doubt you will debate that too. Lewis is not the Stig, nor would I want him to be. But please carry on you attacks on other teams, drivers and team execs. It demonstrates why this Forum, which seemed so promising a few months ago, has almost no one posting.

BTW ... it took me 15 seconds to find this interview where Lewis gives further insight into his decision making process. !5 seconds of my time is more than the crap you true Lewis fans are worth. No doubt you will have fun debating that as well.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2209854/Lewis-Hamilton-leaves-McLaren-signs-60m-deal-join-F1-rival-Mercedes.html

Have a nice day.

[sagi58]

It's utterly ridiculous that a conversation/discussion can't be had without
a few people getting their knickers in a knot, for no reason other than to
start an argument.

Some of this ranting and raving could easily be avoided if paranoia doesn't
set in and a lengthy examination of what is written isn't dissected word for
word with the single expectation / sole purpose of finding fault or looking
for hidden insults. Pretty sad, especially when you consider that we seem
to be an articulate group who have their own opinions. Nothing wrong with
sharing, in fact, in doing so, we might find that we're not all that different,
regardless of whom we choose to support!!

By the way, IF I wanted to be offensive/insulting, there will be absolutely no
doubt of my intention. If I ask a "Dumb Question of the Day", it's to better
understand and to become informed that I ask it, in the first place.

Like everyone else here, I have a life. I don't come to this forum, to become
aggravated and to be torn apart, limb from limb, just because I don't see eye
to eye with other adults. High school was a long time ago and, to be perfectly
honest, I wouldn't want to go back!

[Hammer278]

Basically I think the self-proclaimed Lewis fans are just playing the same game they take to other threads, when they attack other drivers. As far as I can see there is no criticism of Lewis here whatsoever. The criticism is of the idea that certain self-proclaimed Lewis fans KNOW what he is thinking. They claim that is one and only one reason for his move. At least that is the reason the launch into yet another boring and pointless rant. No one has criticised Lewis or called him names, unless of course you think him stupid and were offended when I called him intelligent. What a joke. Lewis himself has mentioned more than one reason for his departure, and as RC said has too much class to go into some of the other possible reasons. No doubt you will debate that too. Lewis is not the Stig, nor would I want him to be. But please carry on you attacks on other teams, drivers and team execs. It demonstrates why this Forum, which seemed so promising a few months ago, has almost no one posting.

BTW ... it took me 15 seconds to find this interview where Lewis gives further insight into his decision making process. !5 seconds of my time is more than the crap you true Lewis fans are worth. No doubt you will have fun debating that as well.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2209854/Lewis-Hamilton-leaves-McLaren-signs-60m-deal-join-F1-rival-Mercedes.html

Have a nice day.

"Mercedes-Benz has such an incredible heritage in motorsport, along with a passion for winning which I share.
'Together, we can grow and rise to this new challenge,' the 27-year-old Hamilton added. 'I believe that I can help steer the Silver Arrows to the top and achieve our joint ambitions of winning the world championships.'"

The other governing factor was his desire for a championship-winning car. Whitmarsh always claimed that staying put represented the best chance of success, but the evidence for that assertion is patchy: though they are regular race winners, McLaren have won just a single drivers’ title since 1999.


It's what we've been repeating over and over again. The points put forward by other Lewis fans can be deemed as contributing factors to his final decision, no doubt there will be points missed since a human being isn't just a few ms word files put together....but the MAIN POINTS as to what made Lewis make his mind up were repeated over and over again....and correlates very well with his quote and what we've publicly seen from McLaren the past 2-3 years.

Your "15 seconds of fame" is worth horse sh*t since the article and all the words in quotation marks simply echo the sentiments of Lewis fans who claim to know the major reasons for his move. But thanks for directing us to what we knew years back anyway.

[spankyham]

Lets tone it down a bit

[CookinFlat6]

But please carry on you attacks on other teams, drivers and team execs. It demonstrates why this Forum, which seemed so promising a few months ago, has almost no one posting.

Have a nice day.

Luckily this forum still has you posting, if only to tell us you are almost the only one

Maybe almost everyone is posting at Autosport - they don't allow any attacks on drivers, teams and execs, err hold on......