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[CookinFlat6]

Renaults 2014 Turbo engine is obviously not as good as the other 2 manufacturers who have all had at least 2 years to prepare.

It was suggested that vibrations (the reason initially given) were caused by the crankshaft (which basically turns the output from the engine to mechanical rotational energy, i.e where engine becomes car) and that it was likely a dodgy batch.
However other issues also started popping up, ERS, battery etc and the 'simply overnight issue' became a serious problem.

Renault have now come clean and its not a single known issue, more a worse scenario than anyone could possibly have imagined.

http://www.renaultsportf1.com/Q-A-with-Rob-White-deputy-managing.html?lang=en

From what he says, I cannot believe for one minute they can solve this without redesigning and retooling several parts of the engine. Bharain? Aus? Silverstone?

My impression is now that for the first quarter of the season, we will see the Renault cars not pass the 107% rule. Even if thats scrapped they will start each race and then retire immediately to save their engine allocation till the second half of the season when Renault have fully fixed their issues. They have to actually race according to their agreements.

Can anyone see any other possible outcomes? Will we have 4 new Honda customers next year?

[1Lemon]

Don't they have an engine development freeze once the lights go out in OZ?

[CookinFlat6]

The engine freeze comes a month after the first race. Then no more work is allowed on this years engines. Renault could get a free pass strictly related to bring their power output up to match the other 2. However things like cooling, delivery, packaging, drivability would still be worse than the others.

They have until the engine freeze to sort out what their engine will be for the rest of the year.

We have heard 20 weeks from now to make it as good as the other 2, and that would tie in with having to produce (machine or even cast) new crankshafts, head units. And ofcourse all the ERS stuff would all have to be redesigned to match

[1Lemon]

Yeah it's unlikely but we never know in this crazy sport of ours. That engine freeze makes more sense rather than after the first race.

[Jabberwocky]

Like I posted in the other thread, how can such a big company get something so wrong? Have they never put the engine on a dyno?

They can crow about how RBR have packaged it wrong, so what is their excuse for their other teams. At least Lotus did not waste the money to travel to Jerez to sit in the garage.

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[CookinFlat6]

They ran out of time. They did not put the budget, planning and care into it that the others did. Not enough man hours on the details. I supect if Renault had their name on the works team and owned it lik before they would have done better.
They approached it as a business venture, a bit like Cosworth, who found that to beat others your spending has to go beyond business sense and into irrationality, like ego or prestige (or marketing road cars)
RBR are finding out what other customer teams through the history of F1 have found out painfully, without a good engine you aint going far.
Williams found this out and would have thought about who to be with come 2014 a bit harder than RBR who are afterall a drinks company who got lucky with the right staff and the right regs when they got their wallet out.
Toyota and Honda spent serious amounts of money and although engine makers could not make it all work.
Even Cosworth, the best F1 engine maker at one time recently had the worst V8 engine. This turnaround could be illustrated by the last time it tried to produce a brand new turbo and turned up with ill conceived vibrating crankshafts. It took a whole season to fix.

Lets see how Seb handles his teammate in a back of grid car, and lets see what happens to the Red Bull/Seb fans after a few races of RBR being a normal F1 team with no 2 sec trick

[spankyham]

The dog ate it
I had a flat tire
My grandmother was in hospital
.....

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[benjibaby555]

Renaults 2014 Turbo engine is obviously not as good as the other 2 manufacturers who have all had at least 2 years to prepare.

It was suggested that vibrations (the reason initially given) were caused by the crankshaft (which basically turns the output from the engine to mechanical rotational energy, i.e where engine becomes car) and that it was likely a dodgy batch.
However other issues also started popping up, ERS, battery etc and the 'simply overnight issue' became a serious problem.

Renault have now come clean and its not a single known issue, more a worse scenario than anyone could possibly have imagined.

http://www.renaultsportf1.com/Q-A-with-Rob-White-deputy-managing.html?lang=en

From what he says, I cannot believe for one minute they can solve this without redesigning and retooling several parts of the engine. Bharain? Aus? Silverstone?

My impression is now that for the first quarter of the season, we will see the Renault cars not pass the 107% rule. Even if thats scrapped they will start each race and then retire immediately to save their engine allocation till the second half of the season when Renault have fully fixed their issues. They have to actually race according to their agreements.

Can anyone see any other possible outcomes? Will we have 4 new Honda customers next year?

Great post! If ever Honda have the opportunity to secure 3 more customer teams, this Renault farce is it.

[Jabberwocky]

Assuming Honda do not make the same mistake

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