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[Jabberwocky]

Cooling has not been an issue tell that to red bull

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[Jabberwocky]

Does anyone else thing Red bull are trying to cellotape (other types of sticky back plastic are available) a Mercedes engine into the back of the RB10

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[racechick]

But seriously. I hope the FIA don't fix it again for red bull.

[Hammer278]

Does anyone else thing Red bull are trying to cellotape (other types of sticky back plastic are available) a Mercedes engine into the ball odd the RB10

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Dude...your NCC's spell check/predictive text. Fix that sh*t.

[Jabberwocky]

Dude...your NCC's spell check/predictive text. Fix that sh*t.

I was having Tribble with the keyboard

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[racechick]

The judge was at the test and here is his summary. He sees big problems for renault( red bull in particular because of the tight packaging)
http://thejudge13.com/2014/01/31/f1-tes ... on-keynes/

[spankyham]

The judge was at the test and here is his summary. He sees big problems for renault( red bull in particular because of the tight packaging)
http://thejudge13.com/2014/01/31/f1-tes ... on-keynes/

I find it hard to take anything this guy writes as serious. He spends a lot of time either venting his personal dislikes or trying to sell his soothsaying capabilities. He also doesn't seem to have much of a technical grasp, e.g. him talking about a sustained burst at 15K revs from this years engines.

[spankyham]

:hehe:


But seriously. I hope the FIA don't fix it again for red bull.

My read is the odds are heavily in favor of just that happening - and as I've said previously, the justification will be last years mid-season rule change to accommodate safety issues for some cars/teams.

[Hammer278]

:hehe:


But seriously. I hope the FIA don't fix it again for red bull.

My read is the odds are heavily in favor of just that happening - and as I've said previously, the justification will be last years mid-season rule change to accommodate safety issues for some cars/teams.

I'm sorry but could you explain the angle in which Renault can sell this as a safety issue? "Our engines can't last an entire race, so we plan to park the cars in the middle of the track if you don't give us an extension"?

The most they can do is "we plan to just not race" which is a I-give-up attitude and reflects terribly on the manufacturer itself so I doubt they'd use it as a threat.

[CookinFlat6]

They are contractually obliged to turn up and race at each circuit. They could turn up and start the race and pull into the pits like during the US GP tyre fiasco.

There is no way Merc and Ferrari are going to agree to change the rules to help RBR out because they got the design wrong.

As far as Renault, they might get an extension on homologation

But its plain silly to suggest RBR will have the rules changed on safety grounds

Will someone tell us what safety grounds exactly?

[spankyham]

I'm sorry but could you explain the angle in which Renault can sell this as a safety issue? "Our engines can't last an entire race, so we plan to park the cars in the middle of the track if you don't give us an extension"?

The most they can do is "we plan to just not race" which is a I-give-up attitude and reflects terribly on the manufacturer itself so I doubt they'd use it as a threat.

They are contractually obliged to turn up and race at each circuit. They could turn up and start the race and pull into the pits like during the US GP tyre fiasco.

There is no way Merc and Ferrari are going to agree to change the rules to help RBR out because they got the design wrong.

As far as Renault, they might get an extension on homologation

But its plain silly to suggest RBR will have the rules changed on safety grounds

Will someone tell us what safety grounds exactly?

On the first point, last year the precedent was set that it didn't matter if teams objected or didn't agree. Ferrari, Lotus and FI did not want that change. So this year a change can also be made with teams not agreeing.

On exactly what will be proposed is unsafe for some cars I really don't know. There are creative minds in those teams so I don't think they will struggle to find something.

I didn't think it was the right decision last year, but I do think it is fact that we will have to live with the precedent. But that's just my 2 cents worth.

**** EDIT - Hasn't Adrian Newey already gone public with concerns about this years noses? I think that has already prompted an FiA written document to teams saying that even if teams have passed the tests, they may still be deemed illegal and have to make changes. Need to have a dig and try and find that article ****

[Nin-Chin]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/25931008

[spankyham]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/25931008

Thanks, saved me the hunt

[RyRy]

No need to risk running on high power and jeopardizing the test when you have 3 other PUs relaying information to HQ.

Being the only team that ran a full race sim we can be sure Mercedes were running full race power and mappings

Why damage your own test procedure when you can get another team to run the engine in a more dangerous mode. If the engine pops you have the data and your full day of testing

A race sim is meaningless without running at race power. For starters you wouldn't know your real fuel consumption and that is critical this year.

I have high confidence they ran expected power and race mappings during the sim. Probably peaking around 12.5k revs. So only Mercedes can say they know they can complete a race with the 100kg fuel limit. But we can also be fairly sure we have seen the Mercedes at full race power. We don't know that for the other teams. A confident move by Mercedes I guess.

I can guarantee that Mercedes still went full power for a qualifying simulation, you only need to do two thirds of a lap and come into the pits to get a good enough representation, go out again and race the last two sectors only and you have a full power lap time in your pocket.

I would assume the majority of their testing would be long-run and race simulations because this year, especially the first few races will be all about reliability but you still need to know how the car performs and heats up / cools down in a full power situation.

For sure for the first day I would assume that they would run at low power to make sure they have SOME data to work with.

Hasn't Adrian Newey already gone public with concerns about this years noses? I think that has already prompted an FiA written document to teams saying that even if teams have passed the tests, they may still be deemed illegal and have to make changes. Need to have a dig and try and find that article ****

I can understand both points around the noses but I still think that it's safer to have a car go under than flip especially when there is a potential to land upside down, trapped in your car, on fire and no one can easily get you out.

I can't really see a "safe" way round the situation other than go for a closed cockpit or a form of roll bar which I DO NOT want to happen, a 90 degree stepped nose could reduce the risk a bit but it would look ugly or you could introduce a sort of "fin" on the front of the nose.

You could put a step at the red line as seen on: http://i.imgur.com/y3Z71q1.png

You could put a "fin" sticking up somewhere along the line as seen: http://i.imgur.com/GNeTFwC.png (however it can't be infront of the drivers line of sight

You could go for a small roll bar above the driver similar to: http://i.imgur.com/icv66BA.png (I think I've just about gone high enough for the head, only problem with roll bars like this is they'd have to be REALLY strong or part of the part they put in around the driver so that it doesn't trap the driver)

You could even go for a long roll bar, which would be for aero reasons aswell: http://i.imgur.com/nZCS9qL.png

[What's Burning?]

I guess the fix Spanky keeps insisting is going to happen is the FiA sends a couple of Mercedes engineers over to Renault? What fix? What can they possibly do other than to slide the entire season back two months to give Renault more time?

I'd love to hear what you think this "fix" is.