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[CookinFlat6]

Red Bull have problems inherited from Renault, as well as problems down to their own design and packaging.

Apparently Renault have admitted fundamental flaws and some components cannot be gauranteed for more than 250 Km. (Thats no good with 5 units a year). Renault have screwed up no doubt about that. They have apparently said they need 20 weeks to get the engine reliable enough to last the required amount of races etc. So we could be looking at Silverstone worst case scenario.

RBR themselves have already fallen behind the the other teams in terms of design. Newey has not mastered jack this time round. Arguably the worst solution amongst the Renault family so far. engine blowing up within a lap and ERS fires are not down to Renault but down to the tight packaging which was too ambitious considering they did not develop in tandem with their own engine team like Ferrari and Merc.

So even if RBR swapped to the Merc engine, Newey has not mastered anything to the level of most of the field, never mind Merc Ferrari. Its looking like a rare dud year for Newey and therefore RBR

[Jabberwocky]

This is where we see how quickly RBR can regroup

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[What's Burning?]

There are no heat problems in America's cup hull design.

[CookinFlat6]

Question is, would you rather be Mclaren at the first test of 2009 or RBR now.

I think if you had a choice you would have to go with 2009, and although they recovered to win they kissed the tittle goodbye by Silverstone, and 2009 was just geting a few regs wrong, not have to wait 20 weeks for an engine that can finish a race or ERS thats gonna toast the driver

[Jabberwocky]

The RBR might be the fastest car on the track. Just a shame it explodes after 50meters

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[LiamCatterson]

Toro Rosso have to be kicking themselves in the nuts now switching to Renault engines, but this was expected I guess...A lot of people had a strong feeling Renault engines would not benefit the new changes

[spankyham]

Given the precedent set last year, I guess the FiA would be obliged to change rules to enable both Renault and Red Bull to race safely.

[spankyham]

''French engine manufacturer had informed their customer teams that the maximum running their current power train could offer was 250km''.
AND
''Simply put, there are components in the Renault engine which will fail should it be pushed beyond around 75%. On top of this, the RB10 has cooling issues for the energy recovery systems, the engine and various other associated components''

[Hammer278]

''French engine manufacturer had informed their customer teams that the maximum running their current power train could offer was 250km''.
AND
''Simply put, there are components in the Renault engine which will fail should it be pushed beyond around 75%. On top of this, the RB10 has cooling issues for the energy recovery systems, the engine and various other associated components''

Great publicity for Renault. Where'd you find this btw?

[spankyham]

Newey back to the drawing board

 wrote:">Formula 1 - Ricciardo says no quick fix for Red Bull

Daniel Ricciardo has suggested there is no quick fix to the Red Bull Formula 1 team's early 2014 problems.

But the Australian is sure the reigning champion outfit still has time to sort its issues before the season starts at his home grand prix.

Red Bull has had a troubled first pre-season test, completing just 14 laps so far after a spate of overheating and electrical problems.

Team principal Christian Horner and technical chief Adrian Newey left the Jerez test on Thursday to return to its Milton Keynes base to start work on its recovery plan.

Ricciardo, who is hoping a temporary fix for the issues can be implemented for Friday so he can at least get some running, is sure that things will improve over the next few weeks.

Gary Anderson analyses Red Bull's plight

"They assume it is going to be something that they will have to go back to the factory and sort it all out," explained the Australian.

"But at the same time they are trying and hoping that a quicker fix is ready for tomorrow. We will see.

"For nearly 36 hours pretty much they have worked on the car to try to get it running. We are a bit unsure right now."

Ricciardo reckoned Newey and Horner's early departure from the test was essential, so they could start working on curing the issues as quickly as possible.

"Adrian has gone back to the drawing board definitely," he said. "There is only so much they can do at the track,

"Adrian is pretty happy working in his office back at Milton Keynes, he will definitely be getting involved, trying to sort out the next step."

But even if a quick solution cannot be found, Ricciardo feels that Red Bull has the qualities to recover its situation, even if that does not take place by the first race in Melbourne.

"We have still got a lot of time. Time is on our side still.

"Even if we go to Melbourne still a bit whatever, it is a long season.

"These guys know how to win, that is important. I am sure sooner rather than later we will get it all together. It is still really early days."

[spankyham]

''French engine manufacturer had informed their customer teams that the maximum running their current power train could offer was 250km''.
AND
''Simply put, there are components in the Renault engine which will fail should it be pushed beyond around 75%. On top of this, the RB10 has cooling issues for the energy recovery systems, the engine and various other associated components''

Great publicity for Renault. Where'd you find this btw?

Read it over at autohoje - his quote is from thejudge13 .... so will treat it with a huge grain of salt - although an occasional truth does make its way into that site

[spankyham]

Still unsure as to why Ferrari are not using a real from wing. To me it looks like a really simple slightly outwash oriented front wing. The nose and particularly the pylons make you think this is a inwash design. So that makes no sense to me.

At the same time, their whole program, as far as I can tell has been aero. They have run multiple diffusors including last years. On top of all that Allison has said how happy they are that track data matches our wind-tunnel (that's a first).

Hoping to see at least some sort of real front wing today

[Hammer278]

Maybe they're all saving their big guns for Bahrain. This test is simply a systems check and to make sure all their factory data reg reliability, fuel consumptions, etc has been relaying the truth in terms of track performance.

Which is why Redbull are no way dead and buried, if they manage to get everything sorted (a car which can run full distance) by Day 1 in Bahrain they're still in the game. Bit of a chase for development parts required but that's it.

[spankyham]

Maybe they're all saving their big guns for Bahrain. This test is simply a systems check and to make sure all their factory data reg reliability, fuel consumptions, etc has been relaying the truth in terms of track performance.

Which is why Redbull are no way dead and buried, if they manage to get everything sorted (a car which can run full distance) by Day 1 in Bahrain they're still in the game. Bit of a chase for development parts required but that's it.

Good point. But as I posted earlier, I'm pretty certain Red Bull will find it relatively easy, based on last years precedent, to get some rule changes and extra practice to enable their car to race "safely".

Also, did Merc run that "T" diffuser again yesterday? Anyone got a closeup clear pic of that?

[operaman]

Maybe they're all saving their big guns for Bahrain. This test is simply a systems check and to make sure all their factory data reg reliability, fuel consumptions, etc has been relaying the truth in terms of track performance.

Which is why Redbull are no way dead and buried, if they manage to get everything sorted (a car which can run full distance) by Day 1 in Bahrain they're still in the game. Bit of a chase for development parts required but that's it.

Agree on both points. That double points race to end the season allows for a dramatic come from behind, and Red Bull has the budget (and driver) to make it happen. If Renault can get their act together by Monaco, RB are certainly not out of it.