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[CookinFlat6]

this is not exactly egalitarian or democratic though. I think its rather bad form to censure a guy for doing something you have also done yourself without any apology or acknowledgement.

Hammer pointed out that you illegally modified his post. You have since then attempted to censure his posts for alleged illegal modification. And then mentioned fishing trips when he questions this duality

Maybe as LRW said, it would be more equitable for mods engaged in a debate to delegate the moderation of that debate to another mod

It would be like an officer and a squaddie engaged in a mutually agreeable fist fight, only for the officer to turn around and invoke the queens regs when on the ground

[Jabberwocky]

A fishing trip can be issued without warning if a mod believes that letting that user posts is going to cause trouble. This happens a lot with suspect spammers, also if someone has gone off on The deep end (think mnm)

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[Hammer278]

A fishing trip can be issued without warning if a mod believes that letting that user posts is going to cause trouble. This happens a lot with suspect spammers, also if someone has gone off on The deep end (think mnm)

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Well it would be cool if more than 1 mod was involved in the discussion whether a member has gone off the deep end then. All I can say in my defence is that I've had absolutely no problems with any of the mods here for a long time until I asked one of them to stop f*cking with my quotes, since I never noticed the change the first time I saw it.

[Jabberwocky]

In an ideal world you are right however it all depends on who is online at the time. If only one mod is available then by virtue of his their status we have to rely on their integrity.

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[What's Burning?]

I've is also the nature of context and intent. I think hammer it's your turn to channel Andrew if you were really that offended by the acknowledged edit. I'm all for a mod bring a fan first otherwise there's no point in being here.

[darwin dali]

I know it's still the dark ages of winter break in F1 and everybody is on edge, but hey, car launches and first test session are coming up soon!
So EVERYBODY chillax, alright!!!
Let's drop the petty squabbles and get back to topic, which in this thread is FA if I'm not mistaken...

[Hammer278]

edit - Prefer to PM this message.

As you were.

[1Lemon]

Today is the day of Fernando 14/1/14

[CookinFlat6]

Today is the day of Fernando 14/1/14

Its also the day after Kimi started work on the Ferrari sim. Could this be the day of Fernando throwing his toys out of the pram again

[1Lemon]

Today is the day of Fernando 14/1/14

Its also the day after Kimi started work on the Ferrari sim. Could this be the day of Fernando throwing his toys out of the pram again

The numbers, they don't lie.

We'll just have to wait and see what's happening on the 14/7/14

[sagi58]

Sagi, the 'proof' is in the history books...Hamilton is 2nd, Alonso 3rd in equal cars, at the end of 2007.

If you can't accept this as 'proof', you'll accept nothing so why bother.

I have no problem with accepting that by virtue of ONE point Hamilton was #2 that year;
however, that's NOT what I asked for proof about.

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If she followed that season, there would be no trouble in understanding that Alonso played a very big part in causing McLaren's DSQ from the WCC...

I did follow the season and most of what was in the British media had a decisive stance leaning towards ostracizing Alonso who wasn't their darling!
And, in spite of not being an Alonso fan, I questioned how harsh they were being with him. I questioned the fact that he was under a gag order.
I couldn't understand how a team that was supposedly housing two of the better drivers on the grid could implode so spectacularly. And, unlike
what I've read from McLaren/Hamilton fans, to this day, I believe we still haven't heard the whole story. I believe it's much too simplistic to blame
everything on Alonso and hold up Ron Dennis as the sacrificial lamb. After all, if you're willing to accept that the FIA is the authority on who won
the race between the two teammates, then you will have to accept that there was sound reasoning for DSQ the team, that there was sound reasoning
for fining McLaren that $100M and that there was sound reasoning for banning Ron Dennis from F1. It's as simple as that, eh!

[LRW]

Fernando has a nice smile I think.

[sagi58]

My point being the proof is all over the net. I assume anyone using this forum will have the knowledge and capacity to do some simple research in order to easily find out that Alonso played his part in causing McLaren's downfall that season. The timeline of events from when Alonso was squealing (this isn't deragotary, its what actually happened so pls don't edit) to when McLaren got handed are self explanatory and anyone with common sense and aren't in denial WILL understand that if Alonso had kept his mouth shut and played for the team and not for himself, McLaren were a shoe-in to lock up the WCC that year. If you followed the season and looked at the events which transpired, you'd have to be pretty thick to be asking for 'proof'.

Did I say that Alonso had ""no"" part in McLaren's downfall? Or did I say that he was not the ""sole"" reason for it??

Alonso did not mete out that hefty fine, the FIA did based on ALL the information they had at their disposal, which
included testimony from Stepney, Coughlan (and wife), as well as other key personnel from McLaren, etc.
Alonso wasn't the one that had Ron Dennis removed from the F1 side of McLaren, was he? Those two salient FACTS
((i.e. the fine and the Ron Dennis "transfer")) are enough to convince me that we have NOT heard all the facts.

Ironically, you castigate Alonso for not being a team player in the face of dishonesty, insisting it was self-serving;
yet, it seems you would have had no problem had he kept quiet and McLaren had won the WCC? Oh, of course, had
Hamilton won the WDC. Self-serving? I'd say so!!

By the way, I don't need you or anyone else to explain how to do a google search, thank you very much. As for calling
me "thick" for requesting proof that Alonso was ""solely"" responsible for this whole fiasco, I would suggest you take a
long hard look in the mirror to acknowledge that you have a problem with reading comprehension.

[Hammer278]

Whoa..... so much anger.

If you look back at my posts, I kept repeating that Alonso played his part/a major part/etc....never said Alonso was the SOLE and ONLY reason McLaren sunk that year. So chill. This is the Alonso thread, so

Alonso rules! Fernando MUY RAPIDO!!! FORZA Alonso!!!! Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

*insert waving red flag here* wheeeeeeee

[LRW]

I also like his hair.....