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[spankyham]

I find it ironic that the team with the highest budget is the one complaining about sims costing too much. Maybe if you're spending too much on sims, the faults lie within your own organization, and not the system itself.

I haven't heard or read anything from the biggest spending team on this yet. Maybe you like to share it with us

[spankyham]

Spanky I still would love to see some hard data on the claims running simulators costs more than track testing.
Just because Luca says it does, means little considering he always stretches things to suit Ferraris agenda.

From what I know about modelling and simulations the computing power the topline simulators use is immense and the cost of that alone is astronomical. Add the hydraulics and electronics that make the sim "real" and I have no doubt the amounts teams must be spending on these units will be huge. And, to keep up to date, you would need to upgrade almost every year.

Still, Luca will need to convince the other teams - and that will take proof to their satisfaction.

[CookinFlat6]

with technology theres a formula that suggests things half in cost, such as memory and processing power every 18 months. The simulators have already been paid for, and are becoming more and more useful to all. As things are paid for and then become commoditised, so they get cheaper and widely available. A PC F22 sim today is more realistic than the military version some years ago

But Monte wants to suddenly hold back technology progress, dump an area where there is genuine technological advancement that brings benefits to road cars as well as other areas.

And calling simulators 'evil' or whatever just confirms his and Ferraris problems recently, a reluctance to embrace and understand new technology, clinging on to the past and the comfort zone of the 'old days' NA V12s with big displacements, inefficiently pounding round the track for mile after mile with a cause and effect iterative development cycle.

Common on Ferrari, embrace the present, look to the future and compete on merit, stop looking for free passes all the time. maybe get rid of Montezemolo for a start and put a young buck in from the Fiat side

[sagi58]

Though I agree that technology has its place, a hands on approach is more effective in some areas of life.
At times, I believe we have become over-reliant on technology to the point of being "dummied down"!

Examples off the top of my head? The ice storm brought a number of them to the fore, many stores were
shut down completely, even though they had power, why? Because their cash registers are dependant on
the internet to not only scan items, but also to calculate the taxes, totals and change. Not even your basic
calculators were of any use because the cashiers didn't know how to calculate 15% tax and add it to the total.

I recently purchased a motorized buck for the front lawn, which was the display model, thus the last one in
the store and while I was waiting patiently for them to disconnect it, the manager promised me 10% off!
When I got to the cash register, the young lady there had no idea how to deduct 10% on the machine, let
alone figure out that 10% of $92.00 was $9.20! She thought she was doing me a favour by reducing it to
$89.00, a number which she relayed to me with the greatest of confidence and a lovely smile!!

And, those two examples don't even include how terrible our youngsters are at basic math calculations unless
they have a calculator in front of them.

[CookinFlat6]

Video killed the radio stars

[sagi58]

Video killed the radio stars

We can't rewind, we've come too far!!

[Jabberwocky]

Ooh ha ha hoo

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[sagi58]

[1Lemon]

I recently purchased a motorized buck for the front lawn, which was the display model, thus the last one in
the store and while I was waiting patiently for them to disconnect it, the manager promised me 10% off!
When I got to the cash register, the young lady there had no idea how to deduct 10% on the machine, let
alone figure out that 10% of $92.00 was $9.20! She thought she was doing me a favour by reducing it to
$89.00, a number which she relayed to me with the greatest of confidence and a lovely smile!!

And, those two examples don't even include how terrible our youngsters are at basic math calculations unless
they have a calculator in front of them.

That's less of a problem with modern technology and more with the education system.... I weep for the time my generation is put incharge!

[What's Burning?]

those two examples don't even include how terrible our youngsters are at basic math calculations unless
they have a calculator in front of them.

I think a lot would depend on the youngster. You're also basing your examples on folks working a cash register at store, which means everything is done for them. If they had to use an adding machine, calculate the tax and hand the appropriate change without the machine telling them the appropriate change then they would have needed to hire people that could do that!

[Jabberwocky]

Is tax added on on top of what the price on the ticket says?

(Before anyone thinks that is a silly question, it might be a cultural thing)
In the UK unless you are in a trade outlet the tax (VAT) is included in the ticket price.

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[spankyham]

those two examples don't even include how terrible our youngsters are at basic math calculations unless
they have a calculator in front of them.

I think a lot would depend on the youngster. You're also basing your examples on folks working a cash register at store, which means everything is done for them. If they had to use an adding machine, calculate the tax and hand the appropriate change without the machine telling them the appropriate change then they would have needed to hire people that could do that!

Surely this is part of a basic education. If your education system is working, shouldn't everyone coming out of it be able to do this very basic sort of stuff. Just like they all come out with the basic communication skills of being able to speak read and write ........ oh wait....

[Jabberwocky]

those two examples don't even include how terrible our youngsters are at basic math calculations unless
they have a calculator in front of them.

I think a lot would depend on the youngster. You're also basing your examples on folks working a cash register at store, which means everything is done for them. If they had to use an adding machine, calculate the tax and hand the appropriate change without the machine telling them the appropriate change then they would have needed to hire people that could do that!

Surely this is part of a basic education. If your education system is working, shouldn't everyone coming out of it be able to do this very basic sort of stuff. Just like they all come out with the basic communication skills of being able to speak read and write ........ oh wait....

About 10 minutes ago I was looking at a car advert that would set that post off a treat

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[Jabberwocky]

www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/ ... 1043121138

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[bud]

those two examples don't even include how terrible our youngsters are at basic math calculations unless
they have a calculator in front of them.

I think a lot would depend on the youngster. You're also basing your examples on folks working a cash register at store, which means everything is done for them. If they had to use an adding machine, calculate the tax and hand the appropriate change without the machine telling them the appropriate change then they would have needed to hire people that could do that!

Surely this is part of a basic education. If your education system is working, shouldn't everyone coming out of it be able to do this very basic sort of stuff. Just like they all come out with the basic communication skills of being able to speak read and write ........ oh wait....

"checkout chicks" aren't always working there while at University...