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By spankyham
#385310
I've always believed it laughable that, at what used to be the pinnacle of motor racing, the teams and players are not allowed to practice. As with most artificial constraints there have been unforeseen negative implications. Up and coming drivers miss out on "learning" time and ridiculous tires are not found out to be ridiculous until race time - look at the Pirelli tire joke of last year. Both of those are seriously dangerous and both would have been uncovered if there was no testing restriction.

And now that it has been revealed that the simulators are now more costly that real testing, well, there is no reason not to gain the benefits of going back to unrestricted testing. With more opportunities for the fans to see more of their teams and cars and for sponsors to get better value.

Luca has got this one 100% right IMO :clap:

 wrote:">Ferrari president says Formula 1 simulators are a joke



Ferrari president Luca di Montezemolo has slammed Formula 1's reliance on simulators as a 'joke'.

With F1's recent strict in-season testing ban having forced teams to rely on ever more complicated simulator technology, di Montezemolo thinks the time has come for a rethink.

He believes that the expense of simulators is now such that serious consideration should be given to a wholesale return to testing as it would be better for teams - and cheaper.

"It is a joke," said di Montezemolo during a lunch with media at Fiorano. "We have been forced to invest a huge amount of money in these terrible machines, artificial, instead of testing here [at Fiorano] and Mugello.

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"If somebody has no money to do tests, it is better to race in GP2, in go karts or go and play basketball. I want to do testing to first of all give new drivers the possibility to drive cars and get experience.

"But I also want to give more opportunities to the public because from one race weekend to another it is silent in F1. There is nothing, nothing.

"Testing is also a good opportunity for the sponsors, to call the public. And tests are less expensive than building and developing every month the terrible simulator. This is something we have to discuss for the future."

Although di Montezemolo is aware that F1 costs are too high, he believes restricted testing dumbs F1 down - something he is vehemently against.

"I think in soccer if you want to compete in the Champions' League, you have to buy good players, you have to train sometimes even five times in a day. This is competition," he said.

"I think that it is ridiculous that in F1, from one side, we are not allowed to test, and from the other side we are forced to spend a huge amount of money in the windtunnel in which we develop aerodynamics that I cannot transfer any of to my [road] cars.

"I don't want it to seem that I am a conservative old fan of F1. I think if we were allowed to do more testing, the scandal of the tyres [in 2013] would not have happened because even for Pirelli it is very difficult as they cannot do too many tests."

F1's testing ban has been relaxed for 2014, allowing a number of in-season tests to take place following grands prix during the year.
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By sagi58
#385316
...Luca has got this one 100% right IMO :clap:


Completely agree on this "extreme"!! Why can't there be a compromise??
Why can't teams decide which they prefer?? Those who want to test, can
and those that want to play video games, can do that, too!!
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By spankyham
#385317
... and those that want to play video games, can do that, too!!
:rofl:
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By bud
#385318
Lucas only concern is Ferrari as usual.
If we did things his way there'd end up being 4 maybe 6 cars racing.
Sponsors and fans don't want this...
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By spankyham
#385319
Lucas only concern is Ferrari as usual.

Wow, a team boss being concerned about his team - nearly as surprising as Brian Boitano's coming out :hehe:

If we did things his way there'd end up being 4 maybe 6 cars racing.
Sponsors and fans don't want this...

The absolutely relevant point Luca was making was that the simulators are now costing more than real testing. If you ascribe to the logic that we need to make F1 affordable to struggling teams then the simulators are what will drive out teams.
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By bud
#385320
Lucas only concern is Ferrari as usual.

Wow, a team boss being concerned about his team - nearly as surprising as Brian Boitano's coming out :hehe:

If we did things his way there'd end up being 4 maybe 6 cars racing.
Sponsors and fans don't want this...

The absolutely relevant point Luca was making was that the simulators are now costing more than real testing. If you ascribe to the logic that we need to make F1 affordable to struggling teams then the simulators are what will drive out teams.


And if we went back to unlimited testing they would spend more than what they would spend on simulators, much much more. He even pointed out if teams can't afford testing they shouldn't be in the sport, surely that just contradicts his claim that simulators cost more to run than track testing.
In the end Luca is just being his over exaggerating self to falsify a point. I would really like to see the numbers he is using to back up this claim.

But really can this guy ever make a cool calm and collected opinion of F1 without getting on his high horse? Arrogant twat!
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By Jabberwocky
#385328
He has a point but at the same time the fact Ferrari has 2 test tracks at its disposal has nothing to do with

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#385334
Blah blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah blah? Blah blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah blah. I want to do testing to first of all give new drivers the possibility to drive cars and get experience. Blah blah blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah blah blah, blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah, blah blah blah blah blah blah. Blah blah blah blah blah.

Let's face it, if Ferrari had the best simulators, Luca di Montezemolo would be all for less in season testing. :rolleyes:
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By spankyham
#385337
Somehow I wish someone else was making this point. I fear the reaction to his suggestions and thoughts will be dealt with "along party lines". But in reality, if you can get past any personal prejudice, his points are good ones.
#385340
Somehow I wish someone else was making this point. I fear the reaction to his suggestions and thoughts will be dealt with "along party lines". But in reality, if you can get past any personal prejudice, his points are good ones.

I did highlight the good one!
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By spankyham
#385344
Somehow I wish someone else was making this point. I fear the reaction to his suggestions and thoughts will be dealt with "along party lines". But in reality, if you can get past any personal prejudice, his points are good ones.

I did highlight the good one!


Oh yes, it was a little hidden :)

There were other good points IMO. If we had full testing, the ridiculous tire debacle would not have happened last year.

Also, his point about the cost of simulators compared to simply getting out on a track is a very good one. Plus, as he points out, time on track is more engaging for the fans and, provides more opportunity for the sponsors to get value.
#385349
There's value in all of that, but you can't deny that it's also all very self serving to Ferrari. They've struggled in the virtual world, both from a simulator and wind tunnel standpoint.

Personally I'd love to see more test dates, an extra day or two scheduled after every third GP would be nice IMO, give the fans globally a chance to go see an even like Luca say, they're already there so they can mitigate quite a bit of the logistics expense. But unlimited testing in your own back yard with two or perhaps three teams testing plus participating in the all team tests is what would wind up and consequently the teams that could afford to pay for the most testing would be the teams that excel and that's no different than teams having a good simulator or having a great aerodynamics facility excelling.
By CookinFlat6
#385350
Also, his point about the cost of simulators compared to simply getting out on a track is a very good one. Plus, as he points out, time on track is more engaging for the fans and, provides more opportunity for the sponsors to get value.


He is very good at maths that Monte, I guess the cost of already owning your own testing track is much less than building simulators

And in the real world, for the 9 other teams, I guess building a track is cheaper than building a simulator

Shame the fans and sponsors can't see cars on Fiorano instead of on the sim, but I guess the other teams are in the same position , or would be if they had their own tracks
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By spankyham
#385355
Also, his point about the cost of simulators compared to simply getting out on a track is a very good one. Plus, as he points out, time on track is more engaging for the fans and, provides more opportunity for the sponsors to get value.


He is very good at maths that Monte, I guess the cost of already owning your own testing track is much less than building simulators

And in the real world, for the 9 other teams, I guess building a track is cheaper than building a simulator

Shame the fans and sponsors can't see cars on Fiorano instead of on the sim, but I guess the other teams are in the same position , or would be if they had their own tracks


That's a sensible point. I'm sure part of any extension to testing could include the teams with tracks having to share at reasonable costs.

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