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#384996
Lets hope he can bring Seb along to drive the thing

Last thing we need is this again


Racing incident, no penalty !


Racing incident? He clearly had the racing line. The other one should of backed off.

:wink:


I believe that they aren't even touching but Unfortunately the windward boat has to keep clear :)

Yacht racing rules are even more complicated than F1 :rofl:
#385019
Lets hope he can bring Seb along to drive the thing

Last thing we need is this again


Racing incident, no penalty !


Racing incident? He clearly had the racing line. The other one should of backed off.

:wink:


I believe that they aren't even touching but Unfortunately the windward boat has to keep clear :)

Yacht racing rules are even more complicated than F1 :rofl:


Exceeding track limits is much more harshly punished. By having your boat stuck on land
#385028
... Then F1 could give them a special deal like the Yankees and tax them 30% on their revenue to be shared among the poor teams.

.... Tell me Spanky, how much of Ferrari's earned income went to any of the lesser teams?


...lets pretend Ferrari dont keep ... all the revenue plus an effective negative contribution to the poorer teams (by the percentage they get off the top of the available pot)


Now this idea simply must have come from the ingenious ideas department.

You know what, Ferrari absolutely agree with your idea. All teams hand over 30% of their revenue and each team gets one tenth of it. Mercedes hands over 30% of their global revenue to the 10 F1 teams. Red Bull hands over 30% of their global sales. Ferrari puts in 30% of their sales and gets one tenth of the pool. My quick sums means that gives each team about $3 billion a year - who needs budget caps. :clap:
#385029
"Ferrari absolutely agree"....lol why do you always speak like the whole Ferrari brand is sitting in your right hand?
#385030
Ferrari .... selling overpriced cars to hairdressers


Yep, must really hurt having those hairdressers cane all comers in the LM GT's .... for how many years now?? :hehe:
#385031
"Ferrari absolutely agree"....lol why do you always speak like the whole Ferrari brand is sitting in your right hand?


Spanky-horsewispering-Luca-ham :hehe:

Although it was a no-brainer - someone suggesting that Ferrari can get one tenth of a 30% revenue tax on Mercedes global sales :rolleyes:
#385032
.......All teams hand over 30% of their revenue and each team gets one tenth of it. Mercedes hands over 30% of their global revenue to the 10 F1 teams. Red Bull hands over 30% of their global sales. Ferrari puts in 30% of their sales and gets one tenth of the pool. My quick sums means that gives each team about $3 billion a year - who needs budget caps. :clap:


If this happens, Im starting LRW Racing UK Ltd. I'll chuck £2k in the pot if it mean I'll get $3b back. :D
#385033
.......All teams hand over 30% of their revenue and each team gets one tenth of it. Mercedes hands over 30% of their global revenue to the 10 F1 teams. Red Bull hands over 30% of their global sales. Ferrari puts in 30% of their sales and gets one tenth of the pool. My quick sums means that gives each team about $3 billion a year - who needs budget caps. :clap:


If this happens, Im starting LRW Racing UK Ltd. I'll chuck £2k in the pot if it mean I'll get $3b back. :D


Entries have now closed, you and I got our teams in .... what are you spending your loot on? I'm ringing the bell in every bar on Fields Ave for whole week :drink:
#385034
.......All teams hand over 30% of their revenue and each team gets one tenth of it. Mercedes hands over 30% of their global revenue to the 10 F1 teams. Red Bull hands over 30% of their global sales. Ferrari puts in 30% of their sales and gets one tenth of the pool. My quick sums means that gives each team about $3 billion a year - who needs budget caps. :clap:


If this happens, Im starting LRW Racing UK Ltd. I'll chuck £2k in the pot if it mean I'll get $3b back. :D


Entries have now closed, you and I got our teams in .... what are you spending your loot on? I'm ringing the bell in every bar on Fields Ave for whole week :drink:


Hookers, whips and a Nazi uniform.
#385039
... Then F1 could give them a special deal like the Yankees and tax them 30% on their revenue to be shared among the poor teams.

.... Tell me Spanky, how much of Ferrari's earned income went to any of the lesser teams?


...lets pretend Ferrari dont keep ... all the revenue plus an effective negative contribution to the poorer teams (by the percentage they get off the top of the available pot)


Now this idea simply must have come from the ingenious ideas department.

You know what, Ferrari absolutely agree with your idea. All teams hand over 30% of their revenue and each team gets one tenth of it. Mercedes hands over 30% of their global revenue to the 10 F1 teams. Red Bull hands over 30% of their global sales. Ferrari puts in 30% of their sales and gets one tenth of the pool. My quick sums means that gives each team about $3 billion a year - who needs budget caps. :clap:


Maybe you could explain to us in simple English using standard arithmetic the following;
Formula 1 teams are independent companies, normally subsidiaries of the manufacturer. Therefore the revenue we are talking about are revenues generated by the F1 entity. Like in the MLB example that has appeared to confuse you, however the MLB team doesnt have a manufacturer parent.
So please tell us, how Mercedes are meant to legally hand over 30% of all revenues, do you mean from Daimler? Lets keep it simple, say Merc AMG, how is their revenue derived? Yes from F1 income, sponsors , merchandising, marketing, maybe a bit of tech sales to other teams. Ok so far?
Same as Ferrari.
So if both teams are just about managing to run at or below breakeven, with funding from the parent in lieu of advertising or PR or whatever it might be labelled as, what revenues do you propose they hand over?

Ok let say you were a bit confused and were referring to the merchandising and such trackside revenue, like with the deal cut by the Yankees (they have a tv channel, which is where the big revenue mentioned by operaman comes in, unlike many of the other teams )
So Ferrari and Merc hand over all the rights to sell merchandise and tshirts etc to the FOM and get 10% of the total earned by all teams, in that case they might turn round and point out that its unfair that Marussia are leveraging their 'history'

This is where it gets exciting, guess what?, at the moment Ferrari keep ALL their merchandising etc and give nada to the FOM, therefore they dont contribute to the poorer teams in any way. In fact like I said before they actually make a negative contribution towards the welfare of the poorer teams by ripping a percentage off the top of FOM revenue BEFORE the split for WCC placing or participation.

So Ferrari would be better off keeping 100% of their revenue and not giving up 30% as they do now rather than your somewhat lame suggestion that they and the other teams chuck their global revenues all in and get 10% - This is exactly operamans point, Ferrari keep 100%, get extra and give nothing back, you mentioned the Yankees and he pointed out that they got all that extra money because they made lots from their tv station and give 30% back(which ends up in the poorer teams).

Now we should all be on the same line in the hymn sheet by now :thumbup:
#385040
.......All teams hand over 30% of their revenue and each team gets one tenth of it. Mercedes hands over 30% of their global revenue to the 10 F1 teams. Red Bull hands over 30% of their global sales. Ferrari puts in 30% of their sales and gets one tenth of the pool. My quick sums means that gives each team about $3 billion a year - who needs budget caps. :clap:


If this happens, Im starting LRW Racing UK Ltd. I'll chuck £2k in the pot if it mean I'll get $3b back. :D


If you still believe money grows on trees and are willing to take someones word for it without a forensic investigation of the numbers and facts then I have some very tasty investment ideas you might be interested in.
#385056
Maybe you could explain to us in simple English ....


I wondering if you could explain in simple English where you get the time to write your "War and Peace" posts so regularly - are you really J K Rowlings? :hehe:

On the parent company thing, its you and your mate that refer to "Ferrari revenue". I guess it was convenient at the time, but since I pointed out how silly that is, at least you have been smart enough to try and distance yourself from that idea.

On the Yankee/MLB V F1 comparison the distinction is clear, in F1, all fans must purchase the right to view through the commercial rights arm of F1. In MLB the Yankees have the right to sell TV viewing rights to their fans. So there are 2 (two) avenues a fan can choose from.

If a fan can sign up to view through the MBL channels then all the revenue from those MBL negotiated contracts goes to the MBL pool.

If a fan signs up to watch the same game through the Yankees channel, the Yankees contribute 30% to the pool and keep the rest of the revenue.

So, if you and your mate are suggesting that you'd like to give Ferrari the right to sell TV viewing rights to their fans, well, I think thats great and I'm sure Ferrari would accept your plan. Ferrari would offer the rights to their fans and give 30% of that revenue to F1. ANd seeming as you don't think the Tifosi are worth anything but derision, then a) you won't miss them and b) you won't feel that FOM selling their TV rights without the Tifosi will diminish what FOM has to sell.

Another great idea from brilliant idea department that I'm sure Ferrari would accept in a heartbeat :)
#385067
You were the one saying Ferrari was just like the Yankees because they both got more money than the others. When it was pointed out to you that the Yankees made the extra money by uniquely having a tv channel and contributing 30% back to the poorer teams. It was then put to you that Ferrari should make some from f1 and give something back instead of beg for handouts and reduce the money available to poorer teams

And you come back with saying Ferrari could charge tifosi to watch them race against 9 other teams and keep all the revenue because they are there for Ferrari MLB games are generally between 2 teams at the site of one. FI is 10 teams at 'away' sites.

So let's just agree that it's stupid to compare F1 and mlb, like you did to start all this off - I have pasted the pertinent bit to help you remember

Yes I can write a Gettysburg address with my left hand whilst making money with my right, and can do that pretty much all day long. Spelling and grammar do suffer though :thumbup:

...You forgot to add that $60 million of that came from owning the YES network. Perhaps Ferrari should research the Yankees model for revenue generation, instead of begging for favours.


Not sure of the actual numbers; but, you'd think selling a "few" Ferrari's would top that, no?


1 or 2 perhaps. :hehe: Btw the Yes Network is a TV network, not an underground organization dedicated to a formerly popular, self-indulgent, pop-art, Brit-band. Getting close to the edge with that comment. :rofl:


The figures I quoted were purely MLB games TV coverage. You pointing out that NY gets an additional $60Mil over and above the bonus they get for simply being the Yankees simply proves that some teams in sport do better than others because they negotiate better contracts and/or have a lot more fans. It is not unique to Ferrari in F1.

As sagi58 also points out, Ferrari sell heaps of cars and makes a mountain of money out of that, Red Bull sells multi-billions of $ of their drinks. When some look at the advantages teams like Ferrari have built they just carp on and on about how Ferrari have done better and built better financial positions, negotiated better contracts and got more fans. Instead of trying to turn F1 into a communist economic model, they should start venting at their teams management. If Ferrari and Red Bull can negotiate a better deal out of the new Concorde, then why can't my team do the same or better?

As I pointed out earlier, Mercedes held out for a better deal than some other teams in the Concorde. They held the whole sport to ransom for nearly a year and threatening to pull out. I guess those who don't like Ferrari being able to negotiate better contracts will be rushing to Mercedes demanding that Toto hands over all their extra benefits and booty to Caterham and Marussia :hehe:


You can't possibly be this thick. The Yankees receive approx. $39 million from MLB (varies from year to year, next year it is $65 million), the same as every team. No bonus, no special deal. The $60 million they EARNED (they have their own TV network) and they have to give approx. 30% of that back to MLB to be shared by the other teams. Perhaps Ferrari would like that special deal. MLB (as do the NBA and NHL) has a profit sharing system whereby the wealthy support the smaller markets.

Read about it here http://basketball.about.com/od/nba-vs-nbapa/ss/Revenue-Sharing-And-North-Americas-Major-Pro-Sports-Leagues_3.htm

Maybe Ferrari should try using their position in the sport to earn money, instead of crawling on their bellies asking for handouts. Then F1 could give them a special deal like the Yankees and tax them 30% on their revenue to be shared among the poor teams. :clap:
#385068
Ridiculous comparison but it did help fill a few pages that were begging for some time consuming drivel to help us get through this off season.

Isn't baseball cricket for people who can't work out how to make a pitch or can't count past 3?

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