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[Hammer278]

Aren't these engines more bulky? With all the turbo and energy recovery gizmos....I think they'd have to strap it to the back of a previous F1 car to make it work.

But I have my doubts anyway that they'd put that sh*t into that super car....they can't be that pathetic to have to do that to see how/if the engine WORKS. There's not too much correlation between that laferrari (or wtv) and an F1 car which can be studied.

[racechick]

This tweet is from Ricky Gervais, and I suspect it involves religious nuts. however in view of the comments from Montezemelo recently regarding tweeting, I thought the comment quite pertinent.

https://twitter.com/rickygervais/status ... 4373914624

[sagi58]

Apparently, that page no longer exists?

[CookinFlat6]

It basically said trying to prevent someone tweeting to stop them letting slip things that might be true is like being a cult leader suppressing his followers knowing the truth

I don't think it refers to Ferrari at all as being a cult and the tifosi not allowed to know what's really going on

Montezemolo does come out with funny sayings though

[sagi58]

Thanks!!

Definitely agree about di Montezemolo, to be honest!! The thing that I try to remember is that English is not his first language!!
What sounds fine in Italian really does not translate well into English!!

And, that's not an excuse, it's just simply a fact!!

[spankyham]

Thanks!!

Definitely agree about di Montezemolo, to be honest!! The thing that I try to remember is that English is not his first language!!
What sounds fine in Italian really does not translate well into English!!

And, that's not an excuse, it's just simply a fact!!

Back in the 60's there was a really good Aussie movie (comedy) made which focused on the cultural/language difference between Aussies and Italian immigrants (there were a lot that migrated to Australia especially around that time). It was called "They're a Weird Mob". Things that are said and done often just don't translate. Most people are aware of this, others just try to use it to line up with there negative views.

[sagi58]

gotcha!!

[racechick]

The actual quote was this ( Its still there on my iPad when I click the link, hmmmmm I wonder if things get removed in some countries. )

"Tweeting something is not infringing on anyone's freedom. Telling someone to not tweet something that might change someone's mind is idiotic"

It wasn't about Ferrari, it will have been about the god squad. He's always pointing out flaws in their logic, they try to have a go at him. It's funny. but it did remind me of Luca telling Alonso not to tweet.

[sagi58]

Tweeting can be seen as infringing on someone's freedom!
Freedom to privacy, that is!!

((e.g., divulging something private about someone else as if it were your own to share!! ))

[What's Burning?]

Tweeting can be seen as infringing on someone's freedom!
Freedom to privacy, that is!!

((e.g., divulging something private about someone else as if it were your own to share!! ))

No it isn't. What if he was sending out a mass email? Or posting it on his FB page or if he posted it on his personal web site or leaving notes on public bathroom wall? If it's private information then it needs to be protected either with a contract or by treating Alonso as an employee with a need to know basis.

I don't agree with drivers airing their dirty laundry via social media, but it is their right to do so unless they signed a contract not to.

[sagi58]

Tweeting can be seen as infringing on someone's freedom!
Freedom to privacy, that is!!

((e.g., divulging something private about someone else as if it were your own to share!! ))

No it isn't. What if he was sending out a mass email? Or posting it on his FB page or if he posted it on his personal web site or leaving notes on public bathroom wall? If it's private information then it needs to be protected either with a contract or by treating Alonso as an employee with a need to know basis.

I don't agree with drivers airing their dirty laundry via social media, but it is their right to do so unless they signed a contract not to.

Did I mention that, generally speaking, I don't think it's necessary to post anything and everything about yourself on any social media??
As for Alonso specifically, if his boss asks him not to post anything about the company he works for, then so be it!
At the end of the day, he is "just" an employee, like the rest of us, regardless of how profile/public his job may be!

By the way, my example was in regards to someone who shares something in confidence, only to have it posted on-line by the person in whom they confided!! THAT is an infringement on their freedom to privacy!

[racechick]

Tweeting can be seen as infringing on someone's freedom!
Freedom to privacy, that is!!

((e.g., divulging something private about someone else as if it were your own to share!! ))

No it isn't. What if he was sending out a mass email? Or posting it on his FB page or if he posted it on his personal web site or leaving notes on public bathroom wall? If it's private information then it needs to be protected either with a contract or by treating Alonso as an employee with a need to know basis.

I don't agree with drivers airing their dirty laundry via social media, but it is their right to do so unless they signed a contract not to.

Did I mention that, generally speaking, I don't think it's necessary to post anything and everything about yourself on any social media??
As for Alonso specifically, if his boss asks him not to post anything about the company he works for, then so be it!
At the end of the day, he is "just" an employee, like the rest of us, regardless of how profile/public his job may be!

By the way, my example was in regards to someone who shares something in confidence, only to have it posted on-line by the person in whom they confided!! THAT is an infringement on their freedom to privacy!

I would say that is an abuse of friendship/ confidence, not and infringement on their right to privacy.
As an employee Alonso doesn't have to do everything he's asked if it isn't in his contract. A driver was once asked to crash his car, I doubt it was in his contact that he had to do that.
As I said at the start, why would Alonso want to piss off his employer?? But this is political games time, and Alonso plays it quite well.

[LRW]

As you say, it all depends on how his contract is written.

And I'm sure they have a catch all clause saying he cant do things that put Ferrari in a bad light - and that would include posting information on twitter than Ferrari deem unacceptable.

[CookinFlat6]

But he hasnt been asked not to mention things that are unacceptable to Ferrari, like technical info, he has been told not to talk about Ferrari full stop. Thats a real line drawn. They know he is smart enough to say things that dont breach actual rules but will publisce how the team is run, how things are going.

For example seems like they wont allow him to say 'I am not happy with my car' - thats infringing on his rights of free speech. He wouldnt say 'my cars new wing was fitted wrong' but either would have the same effect that ferrari are trying to suppress.

How can you stop a guy saying 'i could be doing better if I was in a so and so a car' or 'I am not fulfilling my potential at the moment race to race'

Sounds like Ferrari think they can make him sign some official secrets act where he is not allowed to even mention his employment in any way.

[racechick]

As you say, it all depends on how his contract is written.

And I'm sure they have a catch all clause saying he cant do things that put Ferrari in a bad light - and that would include posting information on twitter than Ferrari deem unacceptable.

If it were that simple, why the need to go public with it. Why not just call him into an office and remind him in private? I think it's more about playing power politics.
If it is in the contract, then end off. It depends what's in there and how it's written.