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[operaman]

I have seen this situation (outside pass attempt) numerous times this year ... Alonso/Hamilton, Hamilton/Alonso, Alonso/Webber, Webber/Alonso, Vettel/Raikkonen .. well you get the point. In all of these cases the driver being passed left room on the outside, as was done here. So what was different on Sunday? In those cases mentioned the driver attempting the pass TOOK the outside space given, sometimes to complete the pass and often to abort the attempt and try again later. Sometimes the attempt came on the next corner. Hamilton may have crowded Bottas, but nothing he did was so sudden or severe to prevent the Finn from taking the appropriate action, moving over and aborting the attempt. Unfortunately he was unwilling to do so. I don't blame Bottas for the attempted pass, but I also don't blame Hamilton for defending. Both drivers wanted the same piece of road .... racing incident = no penalty.

[1Lemon]

Maybe the stewards felt that they had to balance the Massa penalty with a Hamilton one. What with the 2008 race and all. It was a bit suspicious not to wait till after the race to speak to each driver when Bottas could have confirmed he didnt realise he was a lap down

That did cross my mind. I felt the. Massa one was harsh at the time ( didn't know then he'd been warned and done it several times). I felt for Massa. So yes when, Lewis got one so quick and for nothing I thought Hmmm, I wonder........

The Maldonado one was left til after race and came back as nothing.

yeah that Maldo one was a clear case of crowding.

[sagi58]

I'm sorry; but, I have to say something!! And, it's NOT because I'm racist, it's NOT because I "hate" Hamilton, it's not
even because I am a Tifosa!! Having said all that, I would like to share an opinion based on observing the responses
of a number of Hamilton fans on a couple of different forums. One from which I was banned because I didn't agree
with the comments/demands/expectations that everyone be a Hamilton fan first and foremost!!

Anyway, having said all that, the "argument" that it's Bottas' fault for not moving over is essential the same type of
excuse/rationalization/justification that is always used whenever Hamilton is involved in some sort of incident!

It's "always" the other guy's fault, as far as Hamilton's fans are concerned. It would seem that everyone else is required
to give him a wide berth, regardless of what is or isn't in the rules. And, the best, is that if and when something does
happen and he does get penalized, it's because the stewards are racist!

Again, that's my opinion based on my own observations. It is not set in stone anywhere nor is it necessarily something
anyone else must feel obligated to agree with.

p.s. don't be mad, as that's NOT my intention, either... just giving a different point of view...

[LRW]

Can you not lump all 'Hamilton Fans' together. We do not ALL defend Hamilton regardless.

[CookinFlat6]

In my opinion, there seem to be a lot of confusion amongst the 'I love Kimi/ferrari/Tifosi' fans about the difference in racsist incident and racing incident terminologies

Maybe the 2 words are the same in Italian, afterall the famous school of art founded in fascist Italy and called futurism was all about speed

In a racing incident neither driver is intentionally wrong, things just happen, like banging wheels etc. In a racist incident Ferrari would declare they were only going to hire Italian staff resulting in a spaghetti culture that they are forced to abandon a couple years later

[operaman]

I'm sorry; but, I have to say something!! And, it's NOT because I'm racist, it's NOT because I "hate" Hamilton, it's not
even because I am a Tifosa!! Having said all that, I would like to share an opinion based on observing the responses
of a number of Hamilton fans on a couple of different forums. One from which I was banned because I didn't agree
with the comments/demands/expectations that everyone be a Hamilton fan first and foremost!!

Anyway, having said all that, the "argument" that it's Bottas' fault for not moving over is essential the same type of
excuse/rationalization/justification that is always used whenever Hamilton is involved in some sort of incident!

It's "always" the other guy's fault, as far as Hamilton's fans are concerned. It would seem that everyone else is required
to give him a wide berth, regardless of what is or isn't in the rules. And, the best, is that if and when something does
happen and he does get penalized, it's because the stewards are racist!

Again, that's my opinion based on my own observations. It is not set in stone anywhere nor is it necessarily something
anyone else must feel obligated to agree with.

p.s. don't be mad, as that's NOT my intention, either... just giving a different point of view...

With all due respect, I think you are confusing Hamilton fans at large with a few Hamilton fanatics. Those unfortunate souls are no different from the idiots that worship Vettel, or Massa, or Ferrari for that matter. I know of a few Ferrari fans (of the Massa variety) that immediately consider all incidents involving Hamilton to be his fault and are quick to fly back to 2007 at the drop of a hat to attack McLaren and Craneboy, Lewser, Liegate, Shamilton, etc., etc. etc. This incident is not about racism, nor have the majority on this forum made mention of it. I specifically pointed out that this situation (outside passing) has occurred numerous times between Hamilton and others and in all cases this year Hamilton has either left room when being passed, made the pass using the room left him, or (more important) aborted the attempt when necessary. If you have a problem with a particular comment, address your response to that person. The rest of us are talking about a racing incident, not a racist incident.

[bud]

In my opinion Lewis didn't deserve a penalty at all.

Bottas was on the outside for starters, In Lewis' mind he had the corner all to himself.
Secondly and most importantly he didn't even realise he was 'racing' Bottas as it was not for position.

It was a classic case of the good old racing incident.

[racechick]

For the person who chose Lewis in the 'best looking driver' category, here is a pic to die for .

It wasn't me incidentally, somehow I can't think of Lewis like that, don't know why. I think it's because I spend all my energy supporting him and protecting him from mean people. Anyway, you can't really fancy A god can you

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[racechick]

I love to see him smiling

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[NHcheese]

[CookinFlat6]

Oh no!!!!! I can see the headlines - 'Racebabe dumps Lewis - Lewis in a slump'

[racechick]

I'd be good for him. I'd keep him focused.

[operaman]

I'd be good for him. I'd keep him focused.

But on what?

[spankyham]

... In a racist incident Ferrari would declare they were only going to hire Italian staff resulting in a spaghetti culture that they are forced to abandon a couple years later

So people being patriotic are racists in your view?

[Hammer278]

I'd be good for him. I'd keep him focused.

But on what?

Now that's.....a f*ckin good question.