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[bud]

Hmm illegal fuel cell compared to a 700+ page dossier, seem's pretty cut and dry but I do have issue's with Renault not getting fined for possesing another team's intellectual property.

Again an employee having posession with that dossier to actually using it is totaly different, and in the end that dossier had nothing to do with the final ruling twas the email traffic between Fernando and Pedro about Coughlan and Stepney... funny huh

But do you have issues with Toyota getting away scot free? do you have issues with Ferrari not taking that matter to the FIA? do you have issues with Ferrari not even taking that story to the media? all these questions i have issues with and wont forget in a hurry

Flame suit on, popcorn in hand so let's the bashing begin !

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this model here is 100% bud proof! demure has one for everyday of the week

[texasmr2]

bud yes sir I do have issue's with everything you mentioned, I was just being a b-hole and messing with the camp. I agree with the McLaren fan's about the current change concerning the pitstall change. I'm beginning to believe along with you that there seem's to be a conspiracy of some sort's against McLaren, although that is what it appear's to be I'm not sure if we will ever truelly know the 100% factual truth.

[deMuRe]

McLaren has been shuffled down to the very end of the Sakhir pitlane ahead of this weekend's Bahrain Grand Prix.

Despite brokering a deal to occupy the fifth garage slots in Melbourne and Sepang, it has emerged that the Anglo-German squad is to receive the lowliest pit allocation in Bahrain, for as yet unexplained reasons.

Mercedes-powered McLaren finished last in the 2007 constructors' championship last year, due to its espionage penalty, meaning that Lewis Hamilton and Heikki Kovalainen have to race with the highest numbers: 22 and 23.

But before the season began, Bernie Ecclestone agreed to spare McLaren the indignity of also having the farthest pit slots, so that one of F1's 'Big Two' teams can still have access to first-class circuit facilities this year.

Organisers of the Bahrain Grand Prix, however, revealed on Sunday that Formula One Management has ordered the promoters to arrange for McLaren to be housed next to Force India, the local newspaper Gulf Daily News said.

McLaren Group is part owned by Bahrain Mumtalakat Holding Company, which is wholly owned by the Kingdom of Bahrain.

"Originally it was planned that the team would take its place in the fifth set of garages, as it did for the Malaysian and Australian Grands Prix. However late notice arrived to announce that instead of garages 15-18, the Vodafone McLaren-Mercedes team would take up residence in garages 33-35.

Traditionally the pit lane allocation is decided by the previous season's points but McLaren scored no points in the constructors' championship despite its drivers finishing second and third in the drivers' title battle behind Ferrari's Kimi Räikkönen," reads a presse release from the Bahrain International Circuit.

"We understand that it is in line with the rules and regulations of the sport for McLaren, which scored no points in the 2007 constructors' championship, to take the final set of garages," said Shaikh Salman bin Isa Al Khalifa, Chief Operating Officer of the BIC.

"However in Bahrain we do our utmost to ensure that fans of each team get to sit opposite their favourite team's pit garages to see the action unfold. Sadly on this occasion we must apologise to McLaren fans and accept that this is force majeure," he added.

they win a race and everyones scared it seems

F'n stick it to em McLaren

They cheated, they shouldn't be racing this year, the only reason why they are is because nobody would watch as Ferrari would romp it. That's one favour from the FIA.

Secondly, Bernie negotiated that they don't start from the back, that's another favour from the FIA.

It seems McLaren are the ones getting all the favours from the FIA these days...

[racechick]

McLaren has been shuffled down to the very end of the Sakhir pitlane ahead of this weekend's Bahrain Grand Prix.

Despite brokering a deal to occupy the fifth garage slots in Melbourne and Sepang, it has emerged that the Anglo-German squad is to receive the lowliest pit allocation in Bahrain, for as yet unexplained reasons.

Mercedes-powered McLaren finished last in the 2007 constructors' championship last year, due to its espionage penalty, meaning that Lewis Hamilton and Heikki Kovalainen have to race with the highest numbers: 22 and 23.

But before the season began, Bernie Ecclestone agreed to spare McLaren the indignity of also having the farthest pit slots, so that one of F1's 'Big Two' teams can still have access to first-class circuit facilities this year.

Organisers of the Bahrain Grand Prix, however, revealed on Sunday that Formula One Management has ordered the promoters to arrange for McLaren to be housed next to Force India, the local newspaper Gulf Daily News said.

McLaren Group is part owned by Bahrain Mumtalakat Holding Company, which is wholly owned by the Kingdom of Bahrain.

"Originally it was planned that the team would take its place in the fifth set of garages, as it did for the Malaysian and Australian Grands Prix. However late notice arrived to announce that instead of garages 15-18, the Vodafone McLaren-Mercedes team would take up residence in garages 33-35.

Traditionally the pit lane allocation is decided by the previous season's points but McLaren scored no points in the constructors' championship despite its drivers finishing second and third in the drivers' title battle behind Ferrari's Kimi Räikkönen," reads a presse release from the Bahrain International Circuit.

"We understand that it is in line with the rules and regulations of the sport for McLaren, which scored no points in the 2007 constructors' championship, to take the final set of garages," said Shaikh Salman bin Isa Al Khalifa, Chief Operating Officer of the BIC.

"However in Bahrain we do our utmost to ensure that fans of each team get to sit opposite their favourite team's pit garages to see the action unfold. Sadly on this occasion we must apologise to McLaren fans and accept that this is force majeure," he added.

they win a race and everyones scared it seems

F'n stick it to em McLaren

They cheated, they shouldn't be racing this year, the only reason why they are is because nobody would watch as Ferrari would romp it. That's one favour from the FIA.

Secondly, Bernie negotiated that they don't start from the back, that's another favour from the FIA.

It seems McLaren are the ones getting all the favours from the FIA these days...

Wake up little boy!! Where have you been all these years They were deamed to have been cheating on the basis of a couple of emails, and who decided they were cheating?? and the punishment?? They guy trussed up like a chicken having his arse whipped by hookers

[Mikep99]

Wake up little boy!! Where have you been all these years They were deamed to have been cheating on the basis of a couple of emails, and who decided they were cheating?? and the punishment?? They guy trussed up like a chicken having his arse whipped by hookers

Are we going to start all this again.
We all know it was much much much more than a few little emails. But if you want to beleive that and it makes you feel better about your team & your argumnets.
Be my guest.

Wakey wakey http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1QHS7FLQKU

[texasmr2]

Are we going to start all this again.
We all know it was much much much more than a few little emails. But if you want to beleive that and it makes you feel better about your team & your argumnets.
Be my guest.

No poo I wanna put a gun to 2007's head, BANG!!! If I'm not mistaken there was the mention, on countless other thread's, that this bickering will end once the 2008 season start's right?

Damn I need a vacation !

[bud]

They cheated, they shouldn't be racing this year, the only reason why they are is because nobody would watch as Ferrari would romp it. That's one favour from the FIA.

Secondly, Bernie negotiated that they don't start from the back, that's another favour from the FIA.

It seems McLaren are the ones getting all the favours from the FIA these days...

demure demure youre worse than DD with your max speak what a wanye carey you are

Are we going to start all this again.
We all know it was much much much more than a few little emails. But if you want to beleive that and it makes you feel better about your team & your argumnets.
Be my guest.

well actually thats all it came down to in the second hearing, s*** it was only even talk about tyre gas or was it Fernandos gas?
either way you can believe it was a planned and executed event by the WHOLE McLaren organization if it makes it easier for your team to show boat the constructor title badge around like it was hard fought and well earned

[texasmr2]

Yah McLaren still wear's the white dress of a virgin not that Ferrari does either but this is about the 2007 season no other! Atleast you got the pic right bud . Hard fought and well earned, damn straight, if your caught with your hand in the cookie jar you should be punished.

[Mikep99]

well actually thats all it came down to in the second hearing, s*** it was only even talk about tyre gas or was it Fernandos gas?

Oh that's all it was, was it
I beleive that as much as I beleive cows can fly.

Talking about cows and gas, do you have a part time job filling these things



If you don't it's a shame and a waste of some good quality hot air.

[bud]

well actually thats all it came down to in the second hearing, s*** it was only even talk about tyre gas or was it Fernandos gas?

Oh that's all it was, was it
I beleive that as much as I beleive cows can fly.

Talking about cows and gas, do you have a part time job filling these things



If you don't it's a shame and a waste of some good quality hot air.

be careful Mike you cant say someones opinion isnt true! you have to be politically correct here

[Denthúl]

This is from Ed Gorman's blog, from The Times Online.

The McLaren Garage saga

Several people have asked about the strange situation regarding the McLaren garage at Bahrain following reports that the Woking-based team will no longer be occupying No.5 as it did at Melbourne and Sepang, but has been pushed back to the bottom of the pitlane next to Force India.

It just so happens that I asked Bernie about this the other day and it turns out that he received a letter from Max(pre-scandal) in which the FIA president claimed that, due to complaints from rival teams, it would be best to return McLaren to the bottom of the 'lane as required by their last place finish in the 2007 constructors' championship.

So it seems Bernie's compromise arrangement - about which I had heard no complaints it must be said - has been swept away and for the rest of season. McLaren's "Brand Centre"(aka Terminal 6) will henceforth be squeezed in at the European tracks and may have to be out of line with the team garage at some places. All very humiliating I would imagine.

At McLaren, by the way, they say, a team or teams did complain but they did so only after they were "asked to".

Just so you get it from the horse's mouth so to speak, here is what Bernie said about this a couple of days ago.

"For years I always lay everything out in the pits and the paddock - it's nothing to do with the FIA. For 30 years there's always been a joke that if we don't have enough garages, they will have to be on the grass. It is always 'take it easy, or you are going to be on the grass next year.' So we always had the principle that whoever won the championship would go at one end of the pitlane.

"I said 'well we've got a bloody great motorhome which we are going to have a job to fit in different places - because it takes a lot of room. So let's do a bit of a compromise and put McLaren four or five - something like that.' And Ron said 'where are we going to be?' And I said that's what we'll do.

"Then I had a letter from Max the other day explaining - he said Bernie I have had a lot of complaints from people saying that you sort of arbitrarily put Ron there which is something you've never done before. You've always been very strict no matter who the team is and suddenly, out of the blue, you do this and the teams are complaining. So I think you ought to follow what you've been doing for 30 years and put them where they should be which is at the end of the pit lane."

So there you have it. Me thinks there is a lot more golf in this hole....I'll keep you posted.

Hope it gives a bit of insight.

[texasmr2]

Last place in the WCC should mean last pit stall's, no if's and's or but's! We have no consistency with Bernie or the FIA which is a disgrace to F1 and all F1 fan's.

[Jensonb]

As much as I support the enforcement of convention for the sake of fairness, this talk of teams being asked to complain does not sit right with me.

[texasmr2]

this talk of teams being asked to complain does not sit right with me.

Just another media quote that should be taken with a grain of salt as we do not know if it's fact!

[racechick]

Well maybe Max has tried sh!tting on people once too often! He's a corrupt liar and a cheat and he ows McLaren $100 Mil!!