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[Martin]

Ecclestone's comments defy all belief. How can he say motorsport has not been brought into disrepute? How can he say it does not affect his role as the President of the the FIA? It damn well does. Mosley has just rolled out anti-racism campaign for the sport encouraging fans to behave properly. Why should we listen to him when Mosley is having anti-semitic orgies? How can brand the Spanish people wrong with his opinions and low values? How can he talk about moral issues in the sport, such as McLaren and Ron Dennis' moral rectitude?

Mosley and Ecclestone have been keen to tell us all sport and politics go hand-in-hand. Well, the floor of Mosley's legitimacy and credibility has fallen through into the abyss. Nobody can trust him. Nobody can take him seriously. And nobody can do as a charlatan and a hypocrite says. If he has even a shred of self-respect he would do the decent thing: his last act as FIA President should be his formal resignation, right now.

Absolutely spot on MF

[8-ball]

Ecclestone's comments defy all belief. How can he say motorsport has not been brought into disrepute? How can he say it does not affect his role as the President of the the FIA? It damn well does. Mosley has just rolled out anti-racism campaign for the sport encouraging fans to behave properly. Why should we listen to him when Mosley is having anti-semitic orgies? How can brand the Spanish people wrong with his opinions and low values? How can he talk about moral issues in the sport, such as McLaren and Ron Dennis' moral rectitude?

Mosley and Ecclestone have been keen to tell us all sport and politics go hand-in-hand. Well, the floor of Mosley's legitimacy and credibility has fallen through into the abyss. Nobody can trust him. Nobody can take him seriously. And nobody can do as a charlatan and a hypocrite says. If he has even a shred of self-respect he would do the decent thing: his last act as FIA President should be his formal resignation, right now.

He won't resign he will have to be shoved out kicking and screaming. The members of the board should have the courage to take action against this and get him out. If he wants to dress up and get whipped for sexual pleasure then i guess that it is his business but it is the sheer hypocrisy of it all that makes his position untenable.

[McLaren Fan]

He won't resign he will have to be shoved out kicking and screaming. The members of the board should have the courage to take action against this and get him out. If he wants to dress up and get whipped for sexual pleasure then i guess that it is his business but it is the sheer hypocrisy of it all that makes his position untenable.

The FIA could call a motion of no confidence in him, but, as you suspected, have nailed their colours to the mast: 'This is a matter between Mr Mosley and the paper in question...' Absolutely gutless, the lot of them.

[racechick]

I cant understand why people wont speak out against the slime ball, are they so afraid of him? As you say his sexual preferences are up to him but he takes such a morally superior stance all the time. He has the audacity to question Ron Dennis' integrity and talk about bringing the sport into disrepute while he grovels around in a basement having his balls checked for lice by hookers dressed as Nazzi's!! The racial connotations alone in his little role play games ought to see him removed. What was it he said last year about not wanting to see Lewis become a multiple champion?

[AMCpacer]

Has anyone done anything in there bedroom that they wouldnt want anyone to know about? I know I have and not gonna say one way or another what it was.. we should hold people to a standard on how they perform the task they are hired to do.. not what they do in there bedroom.. what goes on between my wife and myself is our business and nobody has a rite to judge us for what we do in private.. Its called fantasy.. What goes in our heads during this is your business.. some power people love the BDSM stuff.. big deal.. if it makes them better business developers all the power to them.. If your like me and work for a power person I thank my check they know what there doing.. And if your one of those power people in charge of others.. Well you probley like getting pissed on.. agian big deal.. something tells if the story is true, max was the jew getting it, not dishing it out.. Max has done a good job for the FIA and helped it as a world sport.. Be carfull judging people in there private lives..

Pacer

[bud]

I agree pacer but if it comes to light that said person is undertaking in Nazi type behaviour wouldnt you question their integrity?
Given his fathers Nazi history in Britain during WWII i think the public have a right to call for his head and for him to step down especially when things such as racism in F1 have come to light how can a guy who admires Nazi's take racism seriously???

[Jensonb]

Has anyone done anything in there bedroom that they wouldnt want anyone to know about? I know I have and not gonna say one way or another what it was.. we should hold people to a standard on how they perform the task they are hired to do.. not what they do in there bedroom.. what goes on between my wife and myself is our business and nobody has a rite to judge us for what we do in private.. Its called fantasy.. What goes in our heads during this is your business.. some power people love the BDSM stuff.. big deal.. if it makes them better business developers all the power to them.. If your like me and work for a power person I thank my check they know what there doing.. And if your one of those power people in charge of others.. Well you probley like getting pissed on.. agian big deal.. something tells if the story is true, max was the jew getting it, not dishing it out.. Max has done a good job for the FIA and helped it as a world sport.. Be carfull judging people in there private lives..

Pacer

Brushing aside the main drive of your post for a moment, Mosley has not, in recent times at least, done anything like a good job. Not for at least a half decade, arguably closer to a full decade.

But as to your main point, what you and your wife do is not a valid comparison. Mosley is essentially a politician. A politician who leads a governance body. A governance body which, under his leadership, has launched an anti-racism campaign.

Joking about, or extracting any pleasure from, the Holocaust is inexcusable under any context. Don't lump BDSM in with this stuff. What we're talking about here with Mosley is a depraved reenactment of one of the most horrifying acts of ethnic cleansing of all time. Your average BDSM is incomparable.

But Mosley doing it is even worse. Mosley's father was a Nazi - Hitler was the guest of honour at Oswald Mosley's wedding - and the UK's answer to Mussolini. After the war, Max joined his father to relaunch his political career. The word fascist was gone from the name, but the logo and the leader remained, do the math.

And it's exacerbated by his role as a politician and his anti-racism campaign. Here's the son of the UK's foremost fascist , the political leader of an international government (Of sorts) on the one hand "Racing against Racism" and on the other hand taking pleasure from a reenactment of the Holocaust.

It's a huge problem for the FIA, for the sport and most importantly for people worldwide who truly condemn racism.

Exactly how is that not enough to demand his removal?

[Martin]

Has anyone done anything in there bedroom that they wouldnt want anyone to know about? I know I have and not gonna say one way or another what it was.. we should hold people to a standard on how they perform the task they are hired to do.. not what they do in there bedroom.. what goes on between my wife and myself is our business and nobody has a rite to judge us for what we do in private.. Its called fantasy.. What goes in our heads during this is your business.. some power people love the BDSM stuff.. big deal.. if it makes them better business developers all the power to them.. If your like me and work for a power person I thank my check they know what there doing.. And if your one of those power people in charge of others.. Well you probley like getting pissed on.. agian big deal.. something tells if the story is true, max was the jew getting it, not dishing it out.. Max has done a good job for the FIA and helped it as a world sport.. Be carfull judging people in there private lives..

Pacer

Brushing aside the main drive of your post for a moment, Mosley has not, in recent times at least, done anything like a good job. Not for at least a half decade, arguably closer to a full decade.

But as to your main point, what you and your wife do is not a valid comparison. Mosley is essentially a politician. A politician who leads a governance body. A governance body which, under his leadership, has launched an anti-racism campaign.

Joking about, or extracting any pleasure from, the Holocaust is inexcusable under any context. Don't lump BDSM in with this stuff. What we're talking about here with Mosley is a depraved reenactment of one of the most horrifying acts of ethnic cleansing of all time. Your average BDSM is incomparable.

But Mosley doing it is even worse. Mosley's father was a Nazi - Hitler was the guest of honour at Oswald Mosley's wedding - and the UK's answer to Mussolini. After the war, Max joined his father to relaunch his political career. The word fascist was gone from the name, but the logo and the leader remained, do the math.

And it's exacerbated by his role as a politician and his anti-racism campaign. Here's the son of the UK's foremost fascist , the political leader of an international government (Of sorts) on the one hand "Racing against Racism" and on the other hand taking pleasure from a reenactment of the Holocaust.

It's a huge problem for the FIA, for the sport and most importantly for people worldwide who truly condemn racism.

Exactly how is that not enough to demand his removal?

What an excellent response JB, succinct and dead right. What worries me is that this story has not made more noise in the media. The Daily Mail articles that I posted here yesterday were on the 'Mails' web site only. I have checked yesterday and todays printed 'Mail' and there is no mention of this item. I am astonished at this. This is the kind of 'juicy' story that the media normally loves, why are they not running it? Is it fear of litigation? I don't think so, the story is now in the public domain, the 'News of the World', which issued this story on Sunday, may be challenged, by Max, under invasion of privacy , but the other media cant because it is in the public domain. Why is it not regarded as newsworthy by the 'respectable' press? Is it just too controversial? I have never come across a newspaper afraid of controversy before - it sells newspapers after all. The reason I ask these questions is because I wonder if MM has the influence in some way to keep the press off his back? I don't usually go along with conspiracy theory's but I cant believe that this is not a newsworthy story when compared to some of the other rubbish that is printed. My fear is that with little press coverage MM will be able to sweep this under the carpet (with the help of his friends)and carry on.
I have challenged the daily Mail to do an 'investigative' story on the workings of MM & the FIA but no response yet.

[8-ball]

That was a brilliant response JB and shows exactly why he can't stay. If the members of the board don't have the courage to say anything then it will be up to the manufacturer's. I guarantee this is not going down well with the German teams in F1 and the German fans, I hope, should start to make some noise about it and certainly get the story more press coverage than it's currently getting. Apparently Bernie has advised MM to stay away from the Bahrain grand prix so as not to anger the royal family and distract from the race but he still thinks that he can stay as head of the FIA. I wonder if ITV are going to say anything about it on sunday? They have got nothing to lose by mentioning the story.

[Martin]

[ I wonder if ITV are going to say anything about it on sunday? They have got nothing to lose by mentioning the story.[/quote]

Good point 8B, Martin Brundle is the one most likely to want say something. I think that ITV will instruct all commentators NOT to mention this, on the basis that it does not have any direct connection to racing, however, if they do allow Martin, or anyone to mention it I am sure that it will be a very watered down and sanitised version. The only thing that might make comment 'legitimate' ,in their eyes, is if MM resigns, or is sacked by then, and I think that highly unlikely.

[McLaren Fan]

Has anyone done anything in there bedroom that they wouldnt want anyone to know about? I know I have and not gonna say one way or another what it was.. we should hold people to a standard on how they perform the task they are hired to do.. not what they do in there bedroom.. what goes on between my wife and myself is our business and nobody has a rite to judge us for what we do in private.. Its called fantasy.. What goes in our heads during this is your business.. some power people love the BDSM stuff.. big deal.. if it makes them better business developers all the power to them.. If your like me and work for a power person I thank my check they know what there doing.. And if your one of those power people in charge of others.. Well you probley like getting pissed on.. agian big deal.. something tells if the story is true, max was the jew getting it, not dishing it out.. Max has done a good job for the FIA and helped it as a world sport.. Be carfull judging people in there private lives..

Pacer

Brushing aside the main drive of your post for a moment, Mosley has not, in recent times at least, done anything like a good job. Not for at least a half decade, arguably closer to a full decade.

But as to your main point, what you and your wife do is not a valid comparison. Mosley is essentially a politician. A politician who leads a governance body. A governance body which, under his leadership, has launched an anti-racism campaign.

Joking about, or extracting any pleasure from, the Holocaust is inexcusable under any context. Don't lump BDSM in with this stuff. What we're talking about here with Mosley is a depraved reenactment of one of the most horrifying acts of ethnic cleansing of all time. Your average BDSM is incomparable.

But Mosley doing it is even worse. Mosley's father was a Nazi - Hitler was the guest of honour at Oswald Mosley's wedding - and the UK's answer to Mussolini. After the war, Max joined his father to relaunch his political career. The word fascist was gone from the name, but the logo and the leader remained, do the math.

And it's exacerbated by his role as a politician and his anti-racism campaign. Here's the son of the UK's foremost fascist , the political leader of an international government (Of sorts) on the one hand "Racing against Racism" and on the other hand taking pleasure from a reenactment of the Holocaust.

It's a huge problem for the FIA, for the sport and most importantly for people worldwide who truly condemn racism.

Exactly how is that not enough to demand his removal?

Excellent response. I couldn't have it better myself, so I can only echo what is said.

[McLaren Fan]

From autosport.com:

Mosley not planning to step down

By Jonathan Noble Tuesday, April 1st 2008, 09:26 GMT

Max MosleyMax Mosley has no intention of stepping down from his position as FIA president, autosport.com has learned, despite the controversy caused by his alleged sexual exploits being revealed in a British tabloid newspaper.

A News of the World frontpage story, which reported Mosley had taken part in a 'sadomasochistic orgy' with five prostitutes, has prompted widespread coverage and led some to call for his resignation.

Former world champion Jody Scheckter told The Guardian on Tuesday: "There is absolutely no question in my mind that Mosley should resign.

"From a purely motor racing point of view you can't have somebody like this running the sport or any other sport come to that. I really think he ought to go and I would like to see the press having a concerted campaign to persuade him to do just that."

However, sources close to Mosley have confirmed that he has every intention of continuing in his role, as he continues discussions with his lawyers regarding the News of the World article.

The widespread media coverage that the article has caused, however, could yet result in Mosley cancelling a planned trip to this weekend's Bahrain Grand Prix.

He was scheduled to attend the event and a function with the Bahraini Royal Family, but may choose to not travel there to avoid any potential embarrassment for anyone there.

An FIA spokesman told autosport.com that no decision had been taken yet.

"We understand that Mr Mosley had originally planned to attend Bahrain but is currently unavailable due to consultation with lawyers, and we cannot confirm his plans," said the spokesman.

Formula One supremo Bernie Ecclestone has suggested, however, that it would perhaps be best if Mosley did not attend the race.

Speaking to The Times, Ecclestone said: "He shouldn't go, should he? The problem is he would take all the ink away from the race and put it on something which, honestly and truly, is nobody else's business anyway,"

When asked about whether or not Mosley should resign over the matter, Ecclestone said: "What Max should do is what he thinks is right because it is only him that's involved, not the FIA. He must do what he believes, in his heart of hearts, is the right thing."

So, it doesn't look Mosley is going to resign and the FIA don't want to do anything about him.

Ecclestone's stance is pathetic. Over the past day or so he's been saying Mosley has done nothing wrong - but yet he wants him to stay away from Bahrain.

Mosley now has retract the negative moral judgements he made on others (such as Ron Dennis and McLaren in recent times), and the FIA has to retract its criticism of a section of the Spanish support who were racist against Alonso and should not penalise them if there are any further instances of racism. After all, it can't be one rule for somebody and another rule for the rest of us (the story of Formula One anyway). How can we listen to a hypocrite?

[f1ea]

Bernie's comments taken from f1-live:

But his fellow F1 powerbroker, Bernie Ecclestone, warned Mosley against too much bravado, as it emerges that several of the car manufacturers involved in the sport are among the senior voices that are very unhappy.

"I don't think it's going to be easy," Ecclestone, F1's Chief Executive, told The Times when asked about Mosley's predicament.

"And if he starts to sue, from what I understand, the chances of him winning would be slim and, the trouble is, it's just a lot more ink for the press," Ecclestone added.

"If Max was in bed with two hookers, they'd say 'good for you' or something like that, but this, as it is, people find it repulsive. I think that's the problem."

I think, Bernie's initial reponse was because he wasn't aware of the "full" story.
In my opinion, Max will be ousted sooner than we all thought......

[Denthúl]

Possibly right, f1ea.

But I think the reason Bernie might want rid of Max is not because he feels Max did wrong (despite the fact that he did) but because it would be bad for business...

[bud]

everyone forgets Max is not just the head of F1's governing body the FIA has many championships under its control across the world so this affects all motorsports under the FIA

FIA Formula One World Championship
FIA World Rally Championship
FIA World Touring Car Championship
FIA GT Championship
FIA GT3 European Championship
CIK-FIA Karting World Championship
FIA European Touring Car Cup
FIA European Truck Racing Championship
FIA World Cup for Cross Country Rallies
FIA Cup for Cross Country Bajas
FIA European Drag Racing Championship
FIA European Championship for Autocross
FIA European Championship for Rallycross
FIA Alternative Energies Cup
FIA European Hill Climb Championship
FIA European Hill Climb Cup
FIA International Hill Climb Challenge
FIA Historic Hill Climb Championship
FIA European Historic Rally Championship
FIA Trophy for Historic Regularity Rallies
FIA European Rally Cups
FIA Middle East Rally Championship
FIA African Rally Championship
FIA Asia Pacific Rally Championship
FIA European Rally Championship
FIA Historic Racing Championships

all these organizations will mount pressure on him for sure, talk of the automotive manufacturers in F1 not being too happy with this publicity

Max it wont be long before Karma slaps you on your butt, sorry to say she wont be in nazi paraphernalia