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[Jabberwocky]

I copied RC's post here as I thought it would be a good topic in its own right.

:banghead: quit the gimmicks, sort out the rules and steward the show properly and fairly!!

I agree some of the rules could be a bit easier to understand.

As for the stewarding I think it is tough job, they have a lot more information than we do, and at the end of the day it is how they interpret the rules. I think on the whole they do a good job.

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[Ferrari man 009]

I think the stewards do well given the circumstances. The Alonso one is a prime example of that. There is a case for "pushed off and left the track to avoid a collision" but there was also a case for "left the track and gained an advantage". The same could be said of the Sutil incident.

At the end of the day the FIA are to blame for stewards decisions, as there are so many grey areas that will be interpreted differently by different stewards. Even the teams arent sure what is allowed and what isnt at times.

[racechick]

Sutil, Alonso, grosjean ( in another race) Grosjean, race ruining penalty that Massa agreed shouldn't have been given, Sutil and Alonso nothing.

I know it's not always easy but there are glaring miscarriages of justice. And I can't help but think it comes back to over complicated and inept rules. If they can't police it why have a rule saying you have to keep inside white lines? Let them go anywhere but cut down on the massive forgiving runoff areas. They'd think twice about going offline if there was a gravel trap. The right foot would then lift.

[Roth]

The drivers seem more reluctant than they were to give a place back. Maybe now there's actual overtaking drivers are becoming more aggressive, especially lower down, and that's why these grey area are coming into play. You solve one issue with DRS you create another...

Honestly though, I can't remember a time when stewards were fair and honest across the board. It's a political sport. They discriminate as and when it pleases them and to whatever tune the ruling body decree.

[Ferrari man 009]

Sutil, Alonso, grosjean ( in another race) Grosjean, race ruining penalty that Massa agreed shouldn't have been given, Sutil and Alonso nothing.

The reason why I agreed with the stewards opinion in Abu Dhabi is because I felt Grosjean was unfairly penalised in Hungary. We need entertainment in the races, and seeing incidents like Grosjean's gutsy pass on Massa and Alonso having the bottle to keep his foot down over that massive bump makes the racing exciting.

I'm not sure Gravel is the answer, as there was a risk of cars getting flipped over or skidding straight into the wall if they went off, but i'd like to see grass runoffs return. Its flat and far less grippy than the tarmac. And if thats "unsafe" by the barriers why not have a section of grass by the track then the tarmac runoff near the barrier? Having 5-10 yards of grass by the edge of the track then tarmac would stop drivers running wide endlessly in my opinion!

[racechick]

Sutil, Alonso, grosjean ( in another race) Grosjean, race ruining penalty that Massa agreed shouldn't have been given, Sutil and Alonso nothing.

The reason why I agreed with the stewards opinion in Abu Dhabi is because I felt Grosjean was unfairly penalised in Hungary. We need entertainment in the races, and seeing incidents like Grosjean's gutsy pass on Massa and Alonso having the bottle to keep his foot down over that massive bump makes the racing exciting.

I'm not sure Gravel is the answer, as there was a risk of cars getting flipped over or skidding straight into the wall if they went off, but i'd like to see grass runoffs return. Its flat and far less grippy than the tarmac. And if thats "unsafe" by the barriers why not have a section of grass by the track then the tarmac runoff near the barrier? Having 5-10 yards of grass by the edge of the track then tarmac would stop drivers running wide endlessly in my opinion!

Yes, I'd go with that! It's just all too easy to go over as things stand.

[sagi58]

I realize it may not be simple; but, couldn't there be a team of stewards that goes from race to race rather than having different ones at each venue?

As for the rules and regulations, they're written in an overly general fashion, probably because the FIA doesn't want to have to revisit them on a regular basis. Ideally, the general nature of them would "guide" those making the decisions!

Unfortunately, when rules are overly specific, there might be a situation that is overlooked or not conceived of at the time of writing the rules. What then? You go back to a general rule to make it "fit"!

Can't win for losing!

[Denthúl]

I'm not sure Gravel is the answer, as there was a risk of cars getting flipped over or skidding straight into the wall if they went off, but i'd like to see grass runoffs return. Its flat and far less grippy than the tarmac. And if thats "unsafe" by the barriers why not have a section of grass by the track then the tarmac runoff near the barrier? Having 5-10 yards of grass by the edge of the track then tarmac would stop drivers running wide endlessly in my opinion!

The alternative is to be more grippy. Paul Ricard uses extra-grippy tarmac in the run-off areas instead of gravel/grass etc. It slows you down but at the expense of tyre life.

[acosmichippo]

I'm fine with the stewards except for the recent trend of letting drivers go off the track on a regular basis. What's the deal with that? What makes it OK to go off the India and Abu Dhabi tracks, but not the others? Why is it OK this year, but not any previous years?

Seems like it's literally a black and white issue to me. Of course there will be exceptions with some race incidents, but regularly running all four wheels outside of the white lines is ridiculous and needs to be stopped.

I was taken aback with Brundle's interview of Charlie Whiting before last race. Charlie actually tried to imply that the drivers going off the track at one turn is not the fastest way around that corner. So if it isn't faster, why are they all doing it every single time?

[What's Burning?]

it's not the stewarding that's the problem, as long as they apply the rules consistently within the season. this year hasn't been as bad actually.

[Jabberwocky]

I'm fine with the stewards except for the recent trend of letting drivers go off the track on a regular basis. What's the deal with that? What makes it OK to go off the India and Abu Dhabi tracks, but not the others? Why is it OK this year, but not any previous years?

Seems like it's literally a black and white issue to me. Of course there will be exceptions with some race incidents, but regularly running all four wheels outside of the white lines is ridiculous and needs to be stopped.

I was taken aback with Brundle's interview of Charlie Whiting before last race. Charlie actually tried to imply that the drivers going off the track at one turn is not the fastest way around that corner. So if it isn't faster, why are they all doing it every single time?

It might not be faster as that is easy to prove. However it is going to ease the load on the tires and save a bit of life

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[acosmichippo]

But the whole reason it is allowed is because they supposedly do not "gain an advantage". I'd qualify tire preservation as "gaining an advantage" as much, if not more than, going a few hundredths/thousandths faster through a corner.

[LewEngBridewell]

Sutil, Alonso, grosjean ( in another race) Grosjean, race ruining penalty that Massa agreed shouldn't have been given, Sutil and Alonso nothing.

The reason why I agreed with the stewards opinion in Abu Dhabi is because I felt Grosjean was unfairly penalised in Hungary. We need entertainment in the races, and seeing incidents like Grosjean's gutsy pass on Massa and Alonso having the bottle to keep his foot down over that massive bump makes the racing exciting.

I'm not sure Gravel is the answer, as there was a risk of cars getting flipped over or skidding straight into the wall if they went off, but i'd like to see grass runoffs return. Its flat and far less grippy than the tarmac. And if thats "unsafe" by the barriers why not have a section of grass by the track then the tarmac runoff near the barrier? Having 5-10 yards of grass by the edge of the track then tarmac would stop drivers running wide endlessly in my opinion!

Yes, I'd go with that! It's just all too easy to go over as things stand.

Hear hear!

I've always disliked those massive tarmac run-off areas.