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[racechick]

Here's another dumb question (maybe I should start a new thread? ) :

IF it were your favourite/preferred driver/team that was having such success, would it really be boring for you?

It would for me. I support Lewis because I love how he drives a car, how he has it on the ragged edge! makes audacious overtakes! never gives up. I don't want to see him cruising to victory with a nobbled team mate and a car that's streets ahead of the field. I want to see him fighting and winning because he's the best.
Do I want Lewis to win more championships? Of course I do and it irks me that he only has one; do I want them gifted to him? No. I'd rather watch him fight.
I support Lewis because in my eyes he's the best driver, he has the talent to dominate, circumstances haven't allowed it. If I just wanted to support domination I'd support Vettel and red Bull.....but they bore me.

[sagi58]

I guess that was an unfair question to have asked, since only one other driver/team has had this sort of success, eh?

Only time will tell... or maybe not, as most of the drivers at the top are in their prime and the clock is ticking!!

[1Lemon]

I guess that was an unfair question to have asked, since only one other driver/team has had this sort of success, eh?

Only time will tell... or maybe not, as most of the drivers at the top are in their prime and the clock is ticking!!

How so?

Williams, McLaren, Lotus, Ferrari, Merc are all teams that have had this sort of success in F1s history...

[sagi58]

I guess that was an unfair question to have asked, since only one other driver/team has had this sort of success, eh?

Only time will tell... or maybe not, as most of the drivers at the top are in their prime and the clock is ticking!!

How so?

Williams, McLaren, Lotus, Ferrari, Merc are all teams that have had this sort of success in F1s history...

Really? I'm sorry, I honestly thought that it was only Schumi/Ferrari that had this "extended" success??
If Williams, McLaren, Lotus and Mercedes have all had this sort of success in F1, why are the comparisons
"only" with the dominance of Schumi/Ferrari??

(( NOT a facetious question!! ))

[Jabberwocky]

Because that was the most recent and extended ones.

With Williams for example there was not one driver taking the spoils year after year

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[sagi58]

Because that was the most recent and extended ones.

With Williams for example there was not one driver taking the spoils year after year.

So, it wasn't "really" comparable?

[What's Burning?]

Because that was the most recent and extended ones.

With Williams for example there was not one driver taking the spoils year after year.

So, it wasn't "really" comparable?

I would ask the flip side of you, doesn't it hurt to see that greatest most traditional, winningest and red, team there ever was lose year after year to a dominant Red Bull?

[CookinFlat6]

Because that was the most recent and extended ones.

With Williams for example there was not one driver taking the spoils year after year.

So, it wasn't "really" comparable?

With Williams, FW was actually very clear on the fact that his cars won because they were the best and the driver did not suddenly become a highly paid hero. He insisted almost any driver could win as his cars were so good, so instead of let one driver win year in year out, demanding more and more pay and generally acting like a superstar by sticking a finger up at Sir Frank, he rotated them, son as they won it was bye bye, and a test driver or foreigner or rookie would jump in the car and win again

Ok I have dressed up the facts a little, before any Williams supporters start wheeling out the high horse but hopefully you get the point.

Now since MS its like pop idol, we all know its manufactured success, the industry knows it. Onlt the drivers seem to be in danger of buying into the hype and believing beating MS stats is what makes for greatness. Nope its all the car and how well the team can push bend and break the law and for4 how long

[Jabberwocky]

I think he just did not renew their contract.

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[Jabberwocky]

Then again he must of paid a lot to get Ayrton Senna in his car

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[CookinFlat6]

Senna apparently was prepared to drive for free as Franks tech was so good

[CookinFlat6]

I just cannot understand how anyone can compare Senna beating the champion by 1 point or Lauda winning by 1/2 a point or Prost by 1 point or Lewis by 1 point to a season where the winner wins by 90 points from a handicapped and weak teammate with 4 races to go

How can that even be considered great in any way?

[racechick]

Not great in my books. That anyone could consider him, his ability , his 'greatness' as anything approaching that of senna is inconceivable to me.

[1Lemon]

Because that was the most recent and extended ones.

With Williams for example there was not one driver taking the spoils year after year.

So, it wasn't "really" comparable?

With Williams, FW was actually very clear on the fact that his cars won because they were the best and the driver did not suddenly become a highly paid hero. He insisted almost any driver could win as his cars were so good, so instead of let one driver win year in year out, demanding more and more pay and generally acting like a superstar by sticking a finger up at Sir Frank, he rotated them, son as they won it was bye bye, and a test driver or foreigner or rookie would jump in the car and win again

Ok I have dressed up the facts a little, before any Williams supporters start wheeling out the high horse but hopefully you get the point.

As a Williams fan I want to say.... I need to wheel out no horses as I agree completely; and it is perhaps the best way to go when you're a team constantly punching above your weight.

[Roth]

It is interesting though that he always signed great drivers, not just any driver, but never kept them. To have in your cars for three successive yrs Mansell, Prost and Senna points to a team people want to drive for but also a team boss who likes to collect champions. Lots of ego flying around on team and drivers' part. I don't imagine he would have let Senna go quite so easily. Senna saw himself in that car for more than a season. The greatness of those cars is probably why there's, like Vettel, that question mark hanging over Hill's head. Although you could counter that Mansell won his only WDC because of WIlliams, or that Prost saw it as an easy championship to win, then re-retire. But it worked for a while because the car was so good. After Villeneuve it didn't, because it wasn't.

If Red Bull were similar we'd have seen Alonso, Hamilton and Raikkonen probably swap seats with a nice reliable Vettel as No 2.