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[Jabberwocky]

Is Williams the retirement home for Brazilian drivers?

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[operaman]

I find this news hard to believe, especially the "getting paid by Williams" and " 5 year contract" aspects. At least Flipper will be able to borrow Rubens' script for whining about ill-treatment at Ferrari and how Williams is favouring the younger driver. On the other hand .... with all those Pastorbucks now on the table, does this change the hand Lotus plays? And if Maldanado ends up taking the cash to Lotus, has the Hulk been skunked again?

[What's Burning?]

Its good for both Massa and Williams, assuming Williams can afford a negative pay driver.
Massa has a chance to get paid while crashing out and generally not showing up in most races and Williams have a chance to find new excuses for not moving forward

Hey, it's a step up from Maldonado. I'm sure Massa is bringing some Brazilian sponsors dollars with him. The Venezuelan money can't be as good as it used to be, (or perhaps as reliable) with the tenuous political situation in the country after Chavez' demise.

[operaman]

Its good for both Massa and Williams, assuming Williams can afford a negative pay driver.
Massa has a chance to get paid while crashing out and generally not showing up in most races and Williams have a chance to find new excuses for not moving forward

Hey, it's a step up from Maldonado. I'm sure Massa is bringing some Brazilian sponsors dollars with him. The Venezuelan money can't be as good as it used to be, (or perhaps as reliable) with the tenuous political situation in the country after Chavez' demise.

It's only going to be a step up if Massa changes his attitude, and agrees to a mentor role with the team's young drivers. If he adopts the macho posing and whining about "unfair" treatment persona, it will be a waste of a potentially good seat. True about the $$$$ though. Massa's claims about not being a ride buyer are more an ego thing, as according to Autosport he will have good Brazillian backing. And further to your point about the Maldo-dough, given the questions surrounding the viability of that support, is he out of F1?

[Jabberwocky]

Massa and Williams WDC and WCC 2014. You heard it here first. In a few years the season will be filmed as Rush 3

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[What's Burning?]

Its good for both Massa and Williams, assuming Williams can afford a negative pay driver.
Massa has a chance to get paid while crashing out and generally not showing up in most races and Williams have a chance to find new excuses for not moving forward

Hey, it's a step up from Maldonado. I'm sure Massa is bringing some Brazilian sponsors dollars with him. The Venezuelan money can't be as good as it used to be, (or perhaps as reliable) with the tenuous political situation in the country after Chavez' demise.

It's only going to be a step up if Massa changes his attitude, and agrees to a mentor role with the team's young drivers. If he adopts the macho posing and whining about "unfair" treatment persona, it will be a waste of a potentially good seat. True about the $$$$ though. Massa's claims about not being a ride buyer are more an ego thing, as according to Autosport he will have good Brazillian backing. And further to your point about the Maldo-dough, given the questions surrounding the viability of that support, is he out of F1?

See I think Massa won't feel the need to have a chip on his shoulder at Williams. He knows he's there to be seen as a leader and to perhaps mentor Bottas as much as possible. The situation at Ferrari was Massa knowing his status as soon as the ink was put on Alonso's contract. I think this will be good for everyone involved, and a rare win/win situation that doesn't happen often in the sport.

[LewEngBridewell]

Surprising, and somewhat disappointing decision. However, if he grabs the opportunity properly, he'll most likely emerge and come into his own. At least a heap load of pressure will be off him.

[operaman]

Its good for both Massa and Williams, assuming Williams can afford a negative pay driver.
Massa has a chance to get paid while crashing out and generally not showing up in most races and Williams have a chance to find new excuses for not moving forward

Hey, it's a step up from Maldonado. I'm sure Massa is bringing some Brazilian sponsors dollars with him. The Venezuelan money can't be as good as it used to be, (or perhaps as reliable) with the tenuous political situation in the country after Chavez' demise.

It's only going to be a step up if Massa changes his attitude, and agrees to a mentor role with the team's young drivers. If he adopts the macho posing and whining about "unfair" treatment persona, it will be a waste of a potentially good seat. True about the $$$$ though. Massa's claims about not being a ride buyer are more an ego thing, as according to Autosport he will have good Brazillian backing. And further to your point about the Maldo-dough, given the questions surrounding the viability of that support, is he out of F1?

See I think Massa won't feel the need to have a chip on his shoulder at Williams. He knows he's there to be seen as a leader and to perhaps mentor Bottas as much as possible. The situation at Ferrari was Massa knowing his status as soon as the ink was put on Alonso's contract. I think this will be good for everyone involved, and a rare win/win situation that doesn't happen often in the sport.

Perhaps, but I thought the same when Rubens went there. If Bottas proves to be faster, and he is no slouch, things may go downhill fast. Faster than Felipe can get around the track.

[sagi58]

No one "forced" Massa to continue renewing his contract with Ferrari, year after year!!
NO one "forced" him to accept the philosophy Ferrari is very open about, as he could have left anytime he decided it wasn't for him!!
But, he did sign on the dotted line year after year, knowing what his role was on the team!!
Let's face it, as sweet of a guy as he is, Massa is NOT on the same level as Alonso!!
So, how about we drop this "poor little old" Massa rhetoric! It's gotten old!!

[Jabberwocky]

Maybe he was hoping for another 2008 to happen

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[LRW]

Wow. You Ferrari fans really do dislike Massa.

Poor fellow, what has he ever done to you guys .....?

[Jabberwocky]

It is because Massa has had his back turned to them.

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[sagi58]

Wow. You Ferrari fans really do dislike Massa.

Poor fellow, what has he ever done to you guys .....?

I hope you didn't take my comment out of context? You see, it's not that I dislike Massa; but,
it's getting annoying that so many people take his side only to take a shot at Alonso and Ferrari!!

And... you did it again!! Massa has been getting paid handsomely for his services, describing him as "poor fellow" just makes me laugh!!

Besides, personally, I have always questioned Ferrari's decision to keep Massa on. Yes, I realize that "loyalty" is important; but, for how long? Is it because I like Kimi at Ferrari better? Possibly! I won't deny that doesn't influence my opinion!

Having said that, I'm probably an anomaly as far as Ferrari fans go, so please don't paint us all with "my" brush!!

[sagi58]

It is because Massa has had his back turned to them.

Massa's comment that he was going to drive for himself was little more than annoying!
In fact, I would go so far as to say it was "self-destructive", to be honest! As I posted
earlier, it was his own decision to stay at Ferrari and if now "suddenly" he's going to
start driving for himself, he surely hasn't proven that they've held him back, has he?
After all, it's not like he won the next race, is it? Secondly, in holding Alonso back,
all Massa did was prove he couldn't keep up with the cars ahead because once Alonso
got into free air, he was able to push the same car Massa is driving to a different level.

[Jabberwocky]

My comment was mostly tounge in cheek

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