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[spankyham]

The thing is Redbull passed scrutineering at Singapore , that's all the explaining they need to do.

That is all they are obliged to do, yes. However, it would have been a positive gesture to the fans and pundits who have asked the question in a reasonable way to put forward a response.

But why should they? When every other dominant performance in F1 history hasn't had to.

I can speak for Ferrari in recent times they have shown a willingness to answer the fans on both their success and failure. For example they were very open about crediting their success under Shumi to the relentless laps of practice they did. Likewise in recent years they were open about their wind tunnel problems. if course they didn't have to, but they did and I think that is a good way to treat the f1 fans and public. I'd add that your old team have also been open. I'm thinking about how they dealt with the early clash of Checo and Jenson. I liked that.


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[Hammer278]

The thing is Redbull passed scrutineering at Singapore , that's all the explaining they need to do.

That is all they are obliged to do, yes. However, it would have been a positive gesture to the fans and pundits who have asked the question in a reasonable way to put forward a response.

But why should they? When every other dominant performance in F1 history hasn't had to.

I'd agree with this...why should Redbull go the extra length just to look more 'sporting'. The impetus is to win, and as long as they're winning they are assured of selling a lot more drinks/merchandise out there. Bandwagon supporters are never of shortage.

'Bandwagon supporters' coming from a fan of a driver who was put straight in a championship worth car .
I'm sure his long struggle to the top, showing his merit at lower teams, overcoming great car deficiencies, is what made you a 'true' fan of Lewis right?

FYI I wasn't even thinking about you when I wrote that post, it's just how it is, everyone likes a winner and identifies more easily with a winner....but your insecurity is quite apparent for all to see.

I wasn't even a fan of Hamilton when he won his Championship, I was supporting Kimi. Though I wanted Lewis to win it when Kimi was out of it. And I might add apart from Hakkinen's 1998 and 1999 success, the only driver I've supported in a particular yearwho won the WDC was Kimi in a (gulp) Ferrari. I'm as far of from a bandwagon supporter that you'd get.

[mnmracer]

I can speak for Ferrari in recent times they have shown a willingness to answer the fans on both their success and failure. For example they were very open about crediting their success under Shumi to the relentless laps of practice they did. Likewise in recent years they were open about their wind tunnel problems. if course they didn't have to, but they did and I think that is a good way to treat the f1 fans and public. I'd add that your old team have also been open. I'm thinking about how they dealt with the early clash of Checo and Jenson. I liked that.

There is a difference between "we're working hard" -which wouldn't even need repeating, since everyone knows the paddock stories about which trio stays last- or "we've got a wind tunnel" and "we are using this technique no one thought about". You don't have to hand over the blueprints for that to be a disadvantage: we're talking about 11 of the brightest engineering teams in the world. Brawn didn't hand over the blue prints for their difuser, but lo and behold, the other teams caught up by simply knowing of its existence.

And again, you fail to address what is wrong with the entirely reasonable explanation there already is for a couple of 2+ second laps.

[spankyham]

And again, you fail to address what is wrong with the entirely reasonable explanation there already is for a couple of 2+ second laps.

I must have missed your explanation - would you mind repeating it?

[1Lemon]

RARE POST AHEAD!!!!

I agree with mnmracer.

Red Bull are under no obligation at all to discuss what is giving their car an edge, and they shouldn't, this is a competitive sport and I can guarantee that no team, not even the beloved Ferrari would disclose this information.

[CookinFlat6]

They are under no obligation to explain. However they have a moral obligation to stop lying and pretending Webber has the same device on his car or that the 2 are equally favoured.
Thats just a lack of integrity thats shameful and insulting

If its just the teams engineering prowess, why was Webbers car different in Singapore?

[1Lemon]

All these people shouting about Morality in Formula 1 must be not paying much attention to the sport, it's not a moral sport at all. It's about politics, dirty undercutting, back room deals, crazy engineering and design that makes Boeing feel jealous and finally hard racing.

Morality has never had anything to do with F1 throughout it's entire history and it's why we love it.

Edit: Although we are replacing the hard racing with hard tyre management right now.

[mnmracer]

I must have missed your explanation - would you mind repeating it?

"better car+better driver+better tires+handicapped front wing" does not seem like an unreasonable explanation for 10 faster laps.

[1Lemon]

Don't take it too far I never said I agree with everything you've said on this forum

[mnmracer]

Don't take it too far I never said I agree with everything you've said on this forum

Once it's out on the internet...

[What's Burning?]

They're using traction control. Vettel is the Red Bull choice, Mark may be allowed to win a race, after Vettel's win in India. There's resentment that despite their success, the team and the driver are booed and vilified by a lot of the fans globally.

These are my opinions, and I believe they're pretty centrist points of views for and F1 fan. I accept the domination and know it is part of the sport. Red Bull's car is legal until it's deemed not to be in scruteneering, but to insist there's nothing going on is wanting to believe in the fairy tale.

Anyone that thinks Vettel's car in Japan was the same as the one they gave him in Singapore is delusional. When Vettel struggles, he tends to look not so much awe inspiring as a driver. It will all come to an end eventually. In the mean time, I'll continue to chuckle when he gets booed on the podium.

Besides that, I think the guy is a fine driver and I hope to have a true measure of his skills by being paired with Lewis or Alonso at some point in his career. He'll, I'd even accept a known factor like Rosberg.

[CookinFlat6]

Well expressed WB

[CookinFlat6]

All these people shouting about Morality in Formula 1 must be not paying much attention to the sport, it's not a moral sport at all. It's about politics, dirty undercutting, back room deals, crazy engineering and design that makes Boeing feel jealous and finally hard racing.

Morality has never had anything to do with F1 throughout it's entire history and it's why we love it.

Murder and assasinations have figured in politics for centuries. Should we then accept it as fine and not shout when it occurs?

You are starting to muddle your beliefs and angst like your new best friend

[What's Burning?]

I must have missed your explanation - would you mind repeating it?

"better car+better driver+better tires+handicapped front wing" does not seem like an unreasonable explanation for 10 faster laps.

And the explanation for the traction control engine sound as he accelerated out of the corners? You reckon he must have had an engine down a cylinder due to a leaking exhaust gasket or something like that. It makes Vettel's achievement even more impressive.

[spankyham]

I must have missed your explanation - would you mind repeating it?

"better car+better driver+better tires+handicapped front wing" does not seem like an unreasonable explanation for 10 faster laps.

So from Italy to Singapore the 2.5 seconds was a combination of the car being improved, Seb suddenly got better and the tires improved ?