Sebastian Vettel (5) Support

Re: Sebastian Vettel#375944

By CookinFlat6 - 12 Oct 13, 15:17

- 12 Oct 13, 15:17#375944

All Murray said was that Seb spends as much time with the team as Senna and MS. And that he is very talented

He doesn't add much more, just says people should appreciate being bored a bit more

As far as Seb looking very good, the facts are that in the same car he has been matched by Webber, and beaten by Di Resta, there is no proof that he is as good as Alonso or Lewis. He has never beaten a top driver in the same car so there is no proof it's not all the car. When he had a car on par with Lewis and Alonso he was beaten by Webber, struggled to get into q3 and was labelled crashkid because of poor race craft

The evidence points to his car having a 2 second gap over his own teammate and others and that there has been sandbagging going on since at least Spa

In quali today without kers he was wheel spinning like a rookie. He doesn't seem able to handle oversteer instinctively like Lewis or Kimi without an aero or tc type gadget

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Re: Sebastian Vettel#375947

By racechick - 12 Oct 13, 16:55

- 12 Oct 13, 16:55#375947

Murray's not senile! He's just a lovely gentleman who is passionate about F 1 but who sometimes gets mixed up and says funny things. He's always done that.

Because god forbid he might be right about Vettel huh

That's one way of looking at it, but 'God forbid' we forget what Murray is remembered for. His human side, his passion and enthusiasm, his fallibility and of course his ' murrayisms'. Not his in depth analysis of driver skills..a la mark Hughes.
In view of the quote you posted, here are a couple of pertinent murrayisms .

" Unless I am very much mistaken.... I am very much mistaken."
"I don't make mistakes. I make prophesies that go wrong right away"

You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
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Re: Sebastian Vettel#375948

By Hammer278 - 12 Oct 13, 17:21

- 12 Oct 13, 17:21#375948

Or god forbid that Vettel was using an illegal aid to traction control in Singapore. 32 seconds, in 15 laps, he IS a god.

Have you been missing all those 'facts' and 'numbers' which mmmmmmracer has been putting up whenever Vettel wins a race? He IS a God. :smmack:

Breaking News:Lewis Hamilton has officially overtaken The Fonz in race wins. With 88 races less. Lol(Without a specially built blown diffuser, illegal front wing, preferential treatment)

Re: Sebastian Vettel#375950

By mnmracer - 12 Oct 13, 17:30

- 12 Oct 13, 17:30#375950

Or god forbid that Vettel was using an illegal aid to traction control in Singapore. 32 seconds, in 15 laps, he IS a god.

Have you been missing all those 'facts' and 'numbers' which mmmmmmracer has been putting up whenever Vettel wins a race? He IS a God.

hey, if you wanna fool yourself by making such false statements, rather than have a genuine interest in Formula One, neither I nor god will forbid you. But I will find it a foolish practice. God forbid you actually quote me, when you can just falsely claim that I say things I don't. :smmack:

The less intelligent observers say anyone could do it in that car.

Re: Sebastian Vettel#375951

By mnmracer - 12 Oct 13, 17:31

- 12 Oct 13, 17:31#375951

Murray's not senile! He's just a lovely gentleman who is passionate about F 1 but who sometimes gets mixed up and says funny things. He's always done that.

Because god forbid he might be right about Vettel huh

That's one way of looking at it, but 'God forbid' we forget what Murray is remembered for. His human side, his passion and enthusiasm, his fallibility and of course his ' murrayisms'. Not his in depth analysis of driver skills..a la mark Hughes.
In view of the quote you posted, here are a couple of pertinent murrayisms .

" Unless I am very much mistaken.... I am very much mistaken."
"I don't make mistakes. I make prophesies that go wrong right away"

So is he also mistaken about Senna and Schumacher? Or only the component you disagree on, with him and most of the rest of the Formula One paddock.

The less intelligent observers say anyone could do it in that car.

Re: Sebastian Vettel#375952

By sagi58 - 12 Oct 13, 17:38

- 12 Oct 13, 17:38#375952

I'm sorry but I hardly found the MS era as boring as people claim. However, the amount of rules they changed because of that was ridiculous, the 1 hour qualifying session morphed to some individual 1 lap crap, tyres changed and what not.....anyway the MS domination era was a lot more respectable. I didn't like the guy, but it's always great to see a guy move to a crap team and help build it up to domination and stick the finger up metaphorically to the rest of the paddock. Plus, he and Ferrari had the decency to be open about their no.1 and no.2 policy, not to mention Barrichello was always just there behind his teammate without stupid unexplainable faults hampering him every weekend...

I applaud your honesty and your willingness to share your perspective!!! :clap:

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Re: Sebastian Vettel#376012

By Hammer278 - 13 Oct 13, 04:34

- 13 Oct 13, 04:34#376012

Or god forbid that Vettel was using an illegal aid to traction control in Singapore. 32 seconds, in 15 laps, he IS a god.

Have you been missing all those 'facts' and 'numbers' which mmmmmmracer has been putting up whenever Vettel wins a race? He IS a God.

hey, if you wanna fool yourself by making such false statements, rather than have a genuine interest in Formula One, neither I nor god will forbid you. But I will find it a foolish practice. God forbid you actually quote me, when you can just falsely claim that I say things I don't.

I never quoted you, I quoted WB. :confused:

When did I say that you said anyone was a god? Do you even read bro?

Breaking News:Lewis Hamilton has officially overtaken The Fonz in race wins. With 88 races less. Lol(Without a specially built blown diffuser, illegal front wing, preferential treatment)

Re: Sebastian Vettel#376098

By CookinFlat6 - 13 Oct 13, 13:51

- 13 Oct 13, 13:51#376098

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Re: Sebastian Vettel#376099

By mnmracer - 13 Oct 13, 14:01

- 13 Oct 13, 14:01#376099

Or god forbid that Vettel was using an illegal aid to traction control in Singapore. 32 seconds, in 15 laps, he IS a god.

Have you been missing all those 'facts' and 'numbers' which mmmmmmracer has been putting up whenever Vettel wins a race? He IS a God.

hey, if you wanna fool yourself by making such false statements, rather than have a genuine interest in Formula One, neither I nor god will forbid you. But I will find it a foolish practice. God forbid you actually quote me, when you can just falsely claim that I say things I don't.

I never quoted you, I quoted WB. When did I say that you said anyone was a god? Do you even read bro?

So you just put those two sentences next to each other for no reason. You were not in any way trying to imply that me posting facts and numbers had anything to do with the next sentence "He IS a God."

I'm sorry, how foolish of me to think that.
I better go back to believing in the tooth fairy as well.

The less intelligent observers say anyone could do it in that car.

Re: Sebastian Vettel#376102

By racechick - 13 Oct 13, 14:15

- 13 Oct 13, 14:15#376102

You could file "......(Vettel) is one of the most gigantically talented drivers we've ever seen" , right alongside the tooth fairy

Sorry, I'm joking, but you left yourself wide open to that one. Seb is very very good

You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
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Re: Sebastian Vettel#376103

By mnmracer - 13 Oct 13, 14:20

- 13 Oct 13, 14:20#376103

Seb is very very good

Be carefuly saying that kind of stuff around here. It will make people twist your words into you saying Seb is God.

The less intelligent observers say anyone could do it in that car.

Re: Sebastian Vettel#376107

By racechick - 13 Oct 13, 15:51

- 13 Oct 13, 15:51#376107

Seb is very very good

Be carefuly saying that kind of stuff around here. It will make people twist your words into you saying Seb is God.

I think they know there's no chance of that.

You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.
Abe Lincoln

Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power. Abe Lincoln

Re: Sebastian Vettel#376126

By mnmracer - 13 Oct 13, 17:49

- 13 Oct 13, 17:49#376126

Seb is very very good

Be carefuly saying that kind of stuff around here. It will make people twist your words into you saying Seb is God.

I think they know there's no chance of that.

I have found there to be little to no reasoning behind the twisting of words, so don't have reasonable expectations.