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[CookinFlat6]

I think you guys may be looking at this the wrong way, and the reason Seb claimed they worked on it all weekend and got it right in the race. You can simply develop a program for each circuit, where measurements are made of traction loss point and a custom program created for the KERS based based on track location, therefore needing no sensors whatsoever, just some type of dead reckoning marker to tell the car where is was and how to react in any given corner.

I'm not saying this is how it would be done, but there are a variety of ways to get the information an electronic solution would need in order to have some sort of traction assist, which is a better description of what this system would be.

Analysing the suspension attitudes in each corner and letting a certain configuration trigger the pulsing would be much more robust than dead reckoning, also the driver would be able to use it after the safety car for example or even at will round the track, all hed have to do is floor the pedal at a certain speed, and the car would squat enough to trigger the system till it was at 'cruise' height

Whatever it is I am sure Lewis, Alonso and maybe even webber would ba as quick out the corners if they had it

[LRW]

Is the consensus that 32 seconds gained over the final 15 laps is too much?

[CookinFlat6]

Is the consensus that 32 seconds gained over the final 15 laps is too much?

Put it this way, even in quali a 2 sec gap would be blasphemous, but 15 laps in a row? in race conditions? on a bumpy street circuit?

it also ofcourse brings into question Sebs apparent ability to make no mistakes, if he has a car thats 2 secs quicker, it would mean to keep a small gap at all times he never drives at the limit, he cruises and collects, which doesnt generally lead to mistakes

Contrast this to the times he has been flustered in the pack, unable to overtake Button without rear ending him. I suspect 2014 will answer a lot of questions that have recently sprung up about Sebs true lace in the pecking order

[racechick]

But aren't they saying this trick will carry over?

[CookinFlat6]

Could be, but with the new recovery regs etc, there should many such options all round

[racechick]

Oh I see. And now everyone knows they do it, so they'll be doing similar.come on Merc. TA is the way to go!!!!

[bud]

I'm not convinced, it seems every season there's some new theory to explain Redbulls pace.

[CookinFlat6]

So Seb has rare Kers issue and all of a sudden he has more wheelspin out the corners and is not as tidy as before

and gets beaten by Webber to pole (this last bit could be because of no kers)

[Hammer278]

So Seb has rare Kers issue and all of a sudden he has more wheelspin out the corners and is not as tidy as before

and gets beaten by Webber to pole (this last bit could be because of no kers)

Curious how he had wheelspin through a corner like Spoon huh? No other driver suffered as obviously as that...and KERS has nothing to do with it.

[What's Burning?]

I'm not convinced, it seems every season there's some new theory to explain Redbulls pace.

This isn't about Red Bull's pace, it's about a clear differentiation between Vettel and laws of physics in Singapore. The only hypotheses we've got to go on to the contrary is Vettel got his car that much better set up than anyone else, because he's that much better a driver than anyone else.

A 32 second gap in 15 laps... think about that and see what explanations there are. I've been one to note that if they've found some backdoor to TC, then more power to them, but don't pass it off as divinity.

[stonemonkey]

Someone must've been reading my ramblings.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12763&p=363283&hilit=traction#p363283

[CookinFlat6]

Yes stonemonkey, what we missed was the removal of the 'on demand' element, I.e wheel slip sensor trigger

The new theory is suspension travel dictating when to trigger the harvesting

What's clear is that Red Bull have been using their kers more intensively than the others despite it been smaller and whatever it is works better on Sebs car and that without it he is matched by Webber and is scrappy in corners

Funny that RBR have a history of illegal breaches of the regs and questionable interpretations of 'spirit of the rules' yet a few are still unwilling to entertain the fact that a 32 second advantage in 15 laps is confirmation of a mechanical trick and that the deity known as newyseb were accidentally perfect in Singapore

[1Lemon]

Just watching a video on the Brabham Fan car, it won it's first and only race by 34 seconds.... Remind you of anything?

[mnmracer]

Just watching a video on the Brabham Fan car, it won it's first and only race by 34 seconds.... Remind you of anything?

Did you also watch the video of the 1978 Austrian Grand Prix, 4 races later, that was won by 47 seconds?
Or the second race of that season, in Brazil, which was won 49 seconds?

[CookinFlat6]

Just watching a video on the Brabham Fan car, it won it's first and only race by 34 seconds.... Remind you of anything?

Was the car driven by a deity?

And were the complaining team bosses morally bankrupt?