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[spankyham]

I dreamt last night I hit a brothel with Mark Webber and a couple of my other friends.......my question is, why Webber of all people?

Because he was voted most likely to share his -ride with you??

Only problem with that would be, that Nando would be there (Mark's taxi driver), and I don't know how Hammer would take having no takers in a knock-shop - all the girls would be all over the Nando and Mark

[Hammer278]

We'd hit a brothel where they've never heard of F1 drivers. No problems then.

[sagi58]

We'd hit a brothel where they've never heard of F1 drivers. No problems then.

[Big Azza]

The other day I had a massive tire deflation and was driving on my rim. Swapped it with the spare and today took it to get repaired. The tire dudes just looked at this tire with the rim hanging out (if that makes sense) and then said "I've never seen that before!"

They pumped up the tire and it seemed repairable. But then they called me over and demonstrated that the wall of the tire was collapsing inwards and offered to just give me a used tire for the same price.

Ironically - it was a Pirelli tire.


(but it was a re-tread - so serves me right I guess...)

[Ferrari man 009]

Ironically - it was a Pirelli tire.

Must have been debris that damaged the tyre

[racechick]

Ironically - it was a Pirelli tire.

Must have been debris that damaged the tyre

[LRW]

I'm now officially bored of F1 being about tyres now.

Can this be changed please.

[sagi58]

I'm now officially bored of F1 being about tyres now...

It took "this" long?? I was ready before the summer break!!

[racechick]

Yeah! Heartily sick of this go slow racing! Let the guys lose! Unleash them!

[Jabberwocky]

f1 has always been limited by something. Pirelli have just handled the media badly.
Think it was not that long ago that drivers had to back off the revs in the race because if they run qualifying revs for the whole race the engine would not last. No one went moping about saying the engines are spoiling the racing.

And as for looking after the tyres that has been around for years. Even thinking about tje movie Days of Thunder there is a bit where they say that looking after the tires over a stint will save you time.

This is F1 it pushes the boundaries of everything. It just happens at the moment the 1st boundary it hits is the tyres. No doubt if the tyres lasted a whole race. Teams would then slow the drivers because they where using too much fuel...

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[LRW]

I get what you are saying Jabs, I really do. But I watched FP1 and FP2 today, and 80% of the commentary was chat about tyres, graining, blistering and looking after said tyres.

That's too much.

[CookinFlat6]

For me there is a difference in the type of limitations. Lower revs in the race still allows the driver to drive on the limit albeit a lower power limit. With the tires drivers have to drive differently, they have to curb the skills we are there to see.

In the old days drivers like Prost could manage the limitations of their equipment yet they had to drive at the limit. These days the tires set the limit, way below the rest of the package, meaning drivers themselves are nowhere near their own talent limit.

Its just not correct when drivers dont push limits of their talent because the tires are the weakest link. It cant be right that a guy who can go round a corner at 160 without losing rear grip is matched by a lame duck who is too scared to do 160 but is comfortable with 140. And all because the tires blow at 141.

I just dont get this argument that endurance aspect of racing has to impose a limit beneath the car and driver talent levels. Yeah save your engine by reducing revs when you can but you still gotta max it when needed.

The perfect race is when your car completely collapses the minute you cross the finishing line, with every component ragged to death. Whats the point of crossing the line with every component at 60% except the tires.

The tires are the setting a limit way beneath reality and it just encourages the lame duck cruise and collect monkeys

[What's Burning?]

I appreciate the perspective Jabber but you fail to make the critical distinction in your comparison. The engine, and fuel and other limitations are REAL limitations based on being at the extreme of the technologies that are at the peak of their design to extract the most performance from the lightest or most powerful or strongest of whatever component we're talking about.

These tires have a purposely manufactured limitation, it's not the same by a long shot.

[Jabberwocky]

Following on from that then. How much is the aero been restricted by the rules?

To be honest I don't like the tyres I am just playing the devils advocate

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[CookinFlat6]

Aero brings incremental gains that are way too expensive and dont make sense when you have already limited top speeds etc and frozen engines. Its one thing to limit top speed by for example having grooves in slick tires to reduce grip. But to have tyres that warm up and then start falling apart immediately and then fall off a cliff is ridiculous because it means the tires have become the main variable in the show. They dictate everything else. It becomes a tire show like lets see who can tiptoe around the arbitary characteristics of tthis weekends tires.
'Oh we cracked it, we do the inlap at 20% then drive at 70% for 3 laps then drive at 50%, and we get to stay out longer'

The previous limitations were more like we drive at 100% for 70% of the race then we drive at 70% for 20% then finally we crank up and drive at 100% for the finish. It was about managing the driving at 100%. Now its about managing the limits of the tyres, nevermind what the car and driver are capable of

edit; IMHO, I could be seeing it wrong,