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[Jabberwocky]

Because no one has internet connection from home to think about things and ideas

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[What's Burning?]

Because no one has internet connection from home to think about things and ideas

and download porn.

[Jabberwocky]

Or upload an idea for KERS harvestimg

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[Jabberwocky]

On a technical side, I am amazed at how quick the system would have to react for it to work

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[CookinFlat6]

All electrical, instantaneous. Like ABS on a road car, there is nothing mechanical that needs to react many times a second. Its the result of on/off power several times a second that then cause the overall mechanical effect of no lock with ABS or no slip with TC. So with abs the brake pressure is engaged then cut in pulses, the brake contact hardly moves. In fact this TC would be quicker than ABS becasue there is no sensor relaying samples inbetween the electrical action. It just pulses until suspension load is reduced i.e car is now at high speed

A constant application of power(or braking) leads to slip or lock, a blipping never allows a long enough contact to induce slip or lock

Its like if i blocked my nose constantly for 3 minutes id faint, if however i let a fraction of air in on/off 30 millisecond breaks id end up with enough air to keep smiling

[Jabberwocky]

But it would though because it has to wait for the wishbone and tyre to load and unload.

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[CookinFlat6]

But does it? lets say it assumes that once the suspension travel or wishbone/tyre configuration hits a certain threshold then it just pulses to a predetermined pattern regardless of any further feedback from sensors, and does so till another threshold is reached

like with Abs, say the minute it detects driver slam breaks, just pulses regardless of imminent lockup feedback, with braking might be counterproductive but with acceleration it cannot contribute to any more slip or instability, it can only be an aid once the driver is in a certain suspension attitude

It would mean ofcourse that its of little use in the wet, but in the dry any pulsing when the car is accelerating out of a slow corner can only help by allowing the driver to plant his right foot without worrying about slip or slide, and theres no energy consideration cos its all from waste anyway

and if it had to wait for wishbone tyre adjustments that would surely be full on TC according to the rules

[Jabberwocky]

That is possible I suppose, but that could also reduce acceleration if grip is higher than it thinks

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[Jabberwocky]

Then again waiting for the suspension to unload would do the same.

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[Jabberwocky]

Maybe the system reacts to the loads on the front axle, so it has time to react before the rears get there

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[CookinFlat6]

true enough, but if we assume that every F1 car has way in excess of the acceleration it can lay down safely blasting out of a corner then its a fair tradeoff

it only has to do it till the car is straight and on its way

[Jabberwocky]

I am not sure in that case why you would need any sensor readings from the suspension.
Activate system when throttle is pressed/increased.
Deactivate system when wheel is straight and doing 100mph

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[What's Burning?]

I think you guys may be looking at this the wrong way, and the reason Seb claimed they worked on it all weekend and got it right in the race. You can simply develop a program for each circuit, where measurements are made of traction loss point and a custom program created for the KERS based based on track location, therefore needing no sensors whatsoever, just some type of dead reckoning marker to tell the car where is was and how to react in any given corner.

I'm not saying this is how it would be done, but there are a variety of ways to get the information an electronic solution would need in order to have some sort of traction assist, which is a better description of what this system would be.

[CookinFlat6]

I am not sure in that case why you would need any sensor readings from the suspension.
Activate system when throttle is pressed/increased.
Deactivate system when wheel is straight and doing 100mph

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probably to comply with regs, also it could activate when the guy overtakes on a straight if only linked to throttle, the suspension attitude would be the only way of confirming the car was still cornering

they would have a passive system that is fully compliant with Kers regs, harvests and stores the right amount, the system would not be reacting to slip or reducing torque to prevent slip, it would simply be discharging excess harvest energy at in wierd ways at certain times i.e when suspension travel was consistent with leaving a slow corner or a bumpy corner or when the driver plants his right foot from slow speed. The side effect of disposing of this waste kers energy would be to interfere with the delivery of torque but it wouldnt be on demand or reactive to slip, it would just be there

And lets say Webbers car can put down 50% power when accelerating out the corner without losing stability, then Sebs car when he puts his foot down the same way would deliver say 70% but because of the pulsing it would be 60%

but with a much lower chance of slip, therefore Seb could put down more power way before Webber could without slip in the crucial seconds once the car is on its way and once the pulsing stops he is already at 70%

(numbers made up)

deviously clever stuff if its happening and lots of clues point to it

[What's Burning?]

Is the consensus that 32 seconds gained over the final 15 laps is too much?