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#37251
From autosport.com:

By Jonathan Noble Tuesday, March 25th 2008, 10:22 GMT

Mario TheissenBMW motorsport director Mario Theissen expects the FIA will make an imminent change to the qualifying rules to prevent a repeat of the controversy that marred events in Sepang.

McLaren duo Lewis Hamilton and Heikki Kovalainen were docked five places for holding up rival drivers at the end of qualifying as they toured back to the pits.

But despite the sporting aspect of what happened, the situation of cars returning slowly to the pits while other drivers are on their qualifying laps has highlighted potential dangers.

And Theissen has said it was the safety aspect that prompted him to speak to FIA race director Charlie Whiting about the need for an urgent change in the rules - perhaps by introducing a maximum time for drivers to complete their lap.

"I think this is necessary," said Theissen. "I talked to Charlie Whiting on Saturday night, not about the specific case but about the issue of having cars with a differential speed of 200km/h on the same lap. It is something that must not happen."

When asked by autosport.com if the impression was that the FIA would change the rules, Theissen said: "Absolutely."

While the FIA considers how to resolve the situation, McLaren F1 CEO Martin Whitmarsh feels it unlikely there will be a repeat of the situation in the future.

The scenario was prompted in Malaysia by the threat of rain during qualifying, which meant some drivers completed their runs before the end of the session.

"It's unlikely to be a problem in Bahrain," said Whitmarsh when asked about the need to introduce a maximum laptime limit. "In our view, unless there's a better idea, we should be trying to implement it.

"But what happened in Sepang was because of the threat of rain – it's unlikely that will happen in Bahrain.

"So all of the cars in Q3 will be co-ordinated and in phase with each other for their flying laps. Had it been the case here, we wouldn't have stumbled across the problem we had."


It's good that the FIA seem to be taking the issue seriously. I can't agree with Whitmarsh, however. The two McLarens should not have been on the racing line regardless. The team had admitted this and accepted the penalty with grace. Let it continue.
#37357
It makes sense to put a minimum speed on drivers in laps, I'll drink to it :D
#37359
That is good news. Speed is the key. It is not possible to drive slowly and stay off the racing line because, between laft and right handed corners, you have to cross the racing line and that is where the potential danger is. I think that M.Ws commments that it is unlikely to happen again is astonishingly nieve. How does he know that there will not be a threat of rain at any future quali? He just doesn't.
#37389
5 places if you don't make it, unless you crash. Doesn't matter if you have a mechanical problem because then teams will fake it...

To prevent teams "faking it" any car that "breaks down" could be checked by the Stewards to see if it really has broken down.
#37391
5 places if you don't make it, unless you crash. Doesn't matter if you have a mechanical problem because then teams will fake it...

To prevent teams "faking it" any car that "breaks down" could be checked by the Stewards to see if it really has broken down.


That would take too long don't you think?
#37397
5 places if you don't make it, unless you crash. Doesn't matter if you have a mechanical problem because then teams will fake it...

To prevent teams "faking it" any car that "breaks down" could be checked by the Stewards to see if it really has broken down.


That would take too long don't you think?


parc ferme
#37534
So a car pulls into parc ferme after it's broken down? How does that work? A Crane has to pick it up and we all wait 15 mins for the stewards to inspect everything?

Can't see it working and I can see the teams not in favour of this change arguing this very point.
#37536
5 places if you don't make it, unless you crash. Doesn't matter if you have a mechanical problem because then teams will fake it...

To prevent teams "faking it" any car that "breaks down" could be checked by the Stewards to see if it really has broken down.


That would take too long don't you think?

There'd be only 10 cars to check and overnight they can send anybody "faking it" to the back of the grid for the race.
#37538
I see where you're coming from now. I thought it would be a more on the spot type of system whereby if a car was running slow a rival team would challenge the genuinity of the problem and the Stewards could check it before qualifying was finalised.
#37675
From autosport.com:

FIA to tweak qualifying for Bahrain

By Jonathan Noble Friday, March 28th 2008, 18:19 GMT

McLaren's drivers during qualifying in MalaysiaThe FIA is to revise the rules for qualifying in time for the Bahrain Grand Prix in a bid to ensure there is no repeat of the controversy that marred the session in Malaysia, autosport.com has learned.

In Sepang, a quirk in the current regulations meant that several drivers were touring slowly back to the pits in a bid to conserve fuel while other drivers were on their final qualifying laps.

This led to dangerous scenes when Nick Heidfeld and Fernando Alonso had to weave their way past much slower cars, and resulted in Heikki Kovalainen and Lewis Hamilton being penalized for blocking their rivals.

With that scenario having prompted widespread calls for the qualifying rules to change, the FIA is to issue an imminent clarification to the teams imposing a maximum laptime for drivers in qualifying.

This will prevent drivers from going too slowly after they have finished their qualifying runs.

It is similar to the rule that is in place for drivers on their reconnaissance laps to the grid - which was prompted by fears of collisions between cars going slowly to conserve fuel and those going fast to evaluate their set-up.

An FIA spokesman confirmed that teams will be notified of the decision to impose a maximum time limit, which is likely to be 120 percent of a normal lap.

"The matter is under discussion and our clarification to the teams and drivers will be that cars returning to the pits having completed their flying lap or laps will be required to do so within a time that we will set," the spokesman told autosport.com.

"This could be approximately 120% of the 'normal' time as we do to prevent drivers going very slowly to the grid to save fuel."


The authorities still seem to be talking over some of the finer points, but overall I think it's a good move.
#37678
Its Funny, if McLaren got punished for being on the racing line then they shouldnt need to change it at all. all they need to do is enforce drivers on the in lap staying offline, afterall that was their only beef, the cars travelling at the same speed off the line did nothing wrong in their eyes.
but to enforce this change suggests that even the cars off the racing line are a danger (DERRR) so why werent they punished... :roll:
#37681
From autosport.com:

FIA to tweak qualifying for Bahrain

By Jonathan Noble Friday, March 28th 2008, 18:19 GMT

McLaren's drivers during qualifying in MalaysiaThe FIA is to revise the rules for qualifying in time for the Bahrain Grand Prix in a bid to ensure there is no repeat of the controversy that marred the session in Malaysia, autosport.com has learned.

In Sepang, a quirk in the current regulations meant that several drivers were touring slowly back to the pits in a bid to conserve fuel while other drivers were on their final qualifying laps.

This led to dangerous scenes when Nick Heidfeld and Fernando Alonso had to weave their way past much slower cars, and resulted in Heikki Kovalainen and Lewis Hamilton being penalized for blocking their rivals.

With that scenario having prompted widespread calls for the qualifying rules to change, the FIA is to issue an imminent clarification to the teams imposing a maximum laptime for drivers in qualifying.

This will prevent drivers from going too slowly after they have finished their qualifying runs.

It is similar to the rule that is in place for drivers on their reconnaissance laps to the grid - which was prompted by fears of collisions between cars going slowly to conserve fuel and those going fast to evaluate their set-up.

An FIA spokesman confirmed that teams will be notified of the decision to impose a maximum time limit, which is likely to be 120 percent of a normal lap.

"The matter is under discussion and our clarification to the teams and drivers will be that cars returning to the pits having completed their flying lap or laps will be required to do so within a time that we will set," the spokesman told autosport.com.

"This could be approximately 120% of the 'normal' time as we do to prevent drivers going very slowly to the grid to save fuel."


The authorities still seem to be talking over some of the finer points, but overall I think it's a good move.



i suggested the same thing some place else, just with the old 107% rule. 120% seems ok, though it's quite a bit slower than a car at max speed. I think they should also include in this new rule that slow drivers will have to be OFF the racing line.

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