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[darwin dali]

Through control of the flow of air around the bottom part of the sidepods to create a coanda effect pulling the exhaust gasses down along with it and getting more air exiting through the diffuser creating more down force because of the lower pressure.

This effect they said is optimum at 50 to 60 miles per hour.

Which I agree with entirely, but it doesn't explain the entirely different sound of Vettel's engine when compared to all other Renault powered cars.

The different engine sound could come from the timing of downshifts for the corner and the stepping on it in the middle of it, i.e., untimely early on...

[What's Burning?]

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it just has the same "farty" sounds as they did in seasons past when they blown diffuser was being exploited. Horner made a big stink about the ECUs being the same and they'd be crazy to tamper with them since that would be illegal. But the sport is all about skirting regulations isn't it.

[Nin-Chin]

Nico Rosberg has launched a withering rebuke of Sebastian Vettel, warning that the World Champion is in danger of losing the respect of his fellow drivers following his apparent criticism of Red Bull's rivals.

While Vettel has been robustly supported by the majority of the paddock in the wake of being heckled on the podium at Singapore, it appears that the German's comments in the aftermath of his dominant victory have also caused considerable irritation in some quarters.

"Whilst there's a lot of people hanging their b***s in the pool on Fridays, we're still working very hard and pushing very hard so that we have a strong race," said Vettel on the Singapore podium.

Vettel unconcerned by booing
The German has subsequently downplayed his remark, insisting it wasn't meant as an attack on his team's rivals, but that hasn't spared Vettel from a dressing-down by both Nico Rosberg and Jenson Button.

"Sebastian brings the boos on himself. He talks about my b***s that I hang in the pool and then the boos come. My guys are working hard day and night. He couldn't know if his boys work harder. We give it full throttle. His comments are aloof and were almost his undoing qualifying," said an angry Rosberg.

"I almost stole pole from him and if I had I would have laughed. Sebastian should think less about my b***s and more about himself. With comments like that he is running the risk of losing the respect of his fellow drivers."

McLaren driver Button was equally unimpressed with Vettel's description, and the 2009 World Champion told the Daily Mail: "It is incorrect and wrong of him to say that.

Vettel still big in Germany
"We are obviously not doing a good enough job to beat Red Bull and no one is at the moment but that doesn't mean we are not working hard. Every team is working as hard as Red Bull."

But despite the criticism, and the loss of top spot to Lewis Hamilton in practice in Korea after previously topping five successive Fridays, it seems Vettel has not lost his sense of mischief.

"Overall a pretty solid day, we had no issues with the car, and there is room for improvement - especially once we turn on the Traction Control," Vettel quipped to Sky Sports News.

Red Bull have strongly denied allegations that surfaced in the wake of Vettel's dominant win in Singapore that they are running a form of traction control on their RB9, Team Principal Christian Horner describing the claims as "complete rubbish".

[racechick]

How does he say it works?

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It's a sophisticated exploitation of the Coanda effect, which requires the driver to play along and simply trust that the car would behave in the predicted way. The driver will have to step on it very early on in a corner - something that SV has mastered well while MW seems to be a bit hesitant (less trusting?) and thus, less able to fully benefit from it. It being a simulation of traction control by diverting the airflow/exhausts down to the diffuser (despite the regulations trying to prevent that), rather than over the rear wing.

So Sebastian is like a robot, or a robot controller, and the car just does it. That's something like I thought it was all along

[darwin dali]

How does he say it works?

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It's a sophisticated exploitation of the Coanda effect, which requires the driver to play along and simply trust that the car would behave in the predicted way. The driver will have to step on it very early on in a corner - something that SV has mastered well while MW seems to be a bit hesitant (less trusting?) and thus, less able to fully benefit from it. It being a simulation of traction control by diverting the airflow/exhausts down to the diffuser (despite the regulations trying to prevent that), rather than over the rear wing.

So Sebastian is like a robot, or a robot controller, and the car just does it. That's something like I thought it was all along

I don't think that would do him justice. I'm pretty sure you have to drive very cleanly and go around the corners smoothly to be able to achieve the full effect, so perfection is one component. The other is guts to do such a thing and staying in full control while cornering at higher speeds than everybody else.

[racechick]

How does he say it works?

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It's a sophisticated exploitation of the Coanda effect, which requires the driver to play along and simply trust that the car would behave in the predicted way. The driver will have to step on it very early on in a corner - something that SV has mastered well while MW seems to be a bit hesitant (less trusting?) and thus, less able to fully benefit from it. It being a simulation of traction control by diverting the airflow/exhausts down to the diffuser (despite the regulations trying to prevent that), rather than over the rear wing.

So Sebastian is like a robot, or a robot controller, and the car just does it. That's something like I thought it was all along

I don't think that would do him justice. I'm pretty sure you have to drive very cleanly and go around the corners smoothly to be able to achieve the full effect, so perfection is one component. The other is guts to do such a thing and staying in full control while cornering at higher speeds than everybody else.

Yes he's good. But if your cars on rails it's easy.

[sagi58]

I guess this goes to prove just how important it is to have ALL factors working TOGETHER!!!

There really isn't a "fair" wait to separate the driver from the team from the car.
It's simply a P.A.C.K.A.G.E!!

[darwin dali]

How does he say it works?

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It's a sophisticated exploitation of the Coanda effect, which requires the driver to play along and simply trust that the car would behave in the predicted way. The driver will have to step on it very early on in a corner - something that SV has mastered well while MW seems to be a bit hesitant (less trusting?) and thus, less able to fully benefit from it. It being a simulation of traction control by diverting the airflow/exhausts down to the diffuser (despite the regulations trying to prevent that), rather than over the rear wing.

So Sebastian is like a robot, or a robot controller, and the car just does it. That's something like I thought it was all along

I don't think that would do him justice. I'm pretty sure you have to drive very cleanly and go around the corners smoothly to be able to achieve the full effect, so perfection is one component. The other is guts to do such a thing and staying in full control while cornering at higher speeds than everybody else.

Yes he's good. But if your cars on rails it's easy.

Tell that MW and he'll punch you in the face

[racechick]

How does he say it works?

Sent from my GT-N7100 using Tapatalk 4

It's a sophisticated exploitation of the Coanda effect, which requires the driver to play along and simply trust that the car would behave in the predicted way. The driver will have to step on it very early on in a corner - something that SV has mastered well while MW seems to be a bit hesitant (less trusting?) and thus, less able to fully benefit from it. It being a simulation of traction control by diverting the airflow/exhausts down to the diffuser (despite the regulations trying to prevent that), rather than over the rear wing.

So Sebastian is like a robot, or a robot controller, and the car just does it. That's something like I thought it was all along

I don't think that would do him justice. I'm pretty sure you have to drive very cleanly and go around the corners smoothly to be able to achieve the full effect, so perfection is one component. The other is guts to do such a thing and staying in full control while cornering at higher speeds than everybody else.

Yes he's good. But if your cars on rails it's easy.

Tell that MW and he'll punch you in the face

They don't put HIS car on rails!! Just Seb's! And mark is a gentleman! he wouldn't punch the fairer umpalumpa,

[darwin dali]

How does he say it works?

Sent from my GT-N7100 using Tapatalk 4

It's a sophisticated exploitation of the Coanda effect, which requires the driver to play along and simply trust that the car would behave in the predicted way. The driver will have to step on it very early on in a corner - something that SV has mastered well while MW seems to be a bit hesitant (less trusting?) and thus, less able to fully benefit from it. It being a simulation of traction control by diverting the airflow/exhausts down to the diffuser (despite the regulations trying to prevent that), rather than over the rear wing.

So Sebastian is like a robot, or a robot controller, and the car just does it. That's something like I thought it was all along

I don't think that would do him justice. I'm pretty sure you have to drive very cleanly and go around the corners smoothly to be able to achieve the full effect, so perfection is one component. The other is guts to do such a thing and staying in full control while cornering at higher speeds than everybody else.

Yes he's good. But if your cars on rails it's easy.

Tell that MW and he'll punch you in the face

They don't put HIS car on rails!! Just Seb's! And mark is a gentleman! he wouldn't punch the fairer umpalumpa,

Says who? It's the same car and the Aussie grit could well get the better of him and he loses it when you tell him something like this

[racechick]

How does he say it works?

Sent from my GT-N7100 using Tapatalk 4

It's a sophisticated exploitation of the Coanda effect, which requires the driver to play along and simply trust that the car would behave in the predicted way. The driver will have to step on it very early on in a corner - something that SV has mastered well while MW seems to be a bit hesitant (less trusting?) and thus, less able to fully benefit from it. It being a simulation of traction control by diverting the airflow/exhausts down to the diffuser (despite the regulations trying to prevent that), rather than over the rear wing.

So Sebastian is like a robot, or a robot controller, and the car just does it. That's something like I thought it was all along

I don't think that would do him justice. I'm pretty sure you have to drive very cleanly and go around the corners smoothly to be able to achieve the full effect, so perfection is one component. The other is guts to do such a thing and staying in full control while cornering at higher speeds than everybody else.

Yes he's good. But if your cars on rails it's easy.

Tell that MW and he'll punch you in the face

They don't put HIS car on rails!! Just Seb's! And mark is a gentleman! he wouldn't punch the fairer umpalumpa,

Says who? It's the same car and the Aussie grit could well get the better of him and he loses it when you tell him something like this

Same car? Says who?

[LRW]

I'm sorry, but it makes NO sense for them not to have it on Marks. I just don't buy it. I just don't think mark has the balls to put his foot down as early as MrV.

[spankyham]

How does he say it works?

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It's a sophisticated exploitation of the Coanda effect, which requires the driver to play along and simply trust that the car would behave in the predicted way. The driver will have to step on it very early on in a corner - something that SV has mastered well while MW seems to be a bit hesitant (less trusting?) and thus, less able to fully benefit from it. It being a simulation of traction control by diverting the airflow/exhausts down to the diffuser (despite the regulations trying to prevent that), rather than over the rear wing.

If it relies on Seb stepping on the gas in the corner then it is using the engine - moving parts - to create an aero effect - totally illegal in my reading of the rules.

[Hammer278]

I'm sorry, but it makes NO sense for them not to have it on Marks. I just don't buy it. I just don't think mark has the balls to put his foot down as early as MrV.

Might be something borderline illegal, or a very minute secret which makes a big difference on certain tracks...couple that with a driver who is feeling highly 'rebellious' and confirmed taking flight permanently by end of this year, you could call it 'trade secrets' being kept from Webber which is understandable...and logical.

[What's Burning?]

Red Bull is the sponsor of the Porsche LMP1 Mark will be driving next year. I'm sure they could still exert some pull.