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#374448
I'll say it one more time. Vettel is getting booed because people dislike HIM.

OK, but who do you think is having the last laugh? The furstrated, petty booers or the guy continuing to win and starting to enjoy the fact that he is getting under those booers' skins because of it?


But that's irrelevant to our conversation in hand. I don't care about people booing him, or how he feels about it.

I care about you claiming it's because he is German. Which it clearly isn't.
#374455
If they disliked Germans they would boo Rosberg too when he is on the podium. But they don't.

True. As long as he remains behind Hamilton. :wink:

(Don't get your blood pressure up. It was meant to be a joke.)

The irreverent humor of Vettel fans. :wink:
#374606
I think there are many reasons Vettel gets booed, I've listed some before and others have mentioned more. Were i to boo him it would be because of multi 21( that was also the overwhelming reason given to Brundle when he asked fans at Monza).
I've heard it said that booing is poor sportsmanship. Well I'd say winning at all costs is poor sportsmanship. Steeling a win from your team mate and putting yourself above the team is Poor sportsmanship. Vettel did those things and now the fans are displaying a similar lack of respect to him. What goes around comes around.
Incidentally I didn't boo at Silverstone, though I felt a sneaky delight when I heard it.
#374607
I think there are many reasons Vettel gets booed, I've listed some before and others have mentioned more. Were i to boo him it would be because of multi 21( that was also the overwhelming reason given to Brundle when he asked fans at Monza).
I've heard it said that booing is poor sportsmanship. Well I'd say winning at all costs is poor sportsmanship. Steeling a win from your team mate and putting yourself above the team is Poor sportsmanship. Vettel did those things and now the fans are displaying a similar lack of respect to him. What goes around comes around.
Incidentally I didn't boo at Silverstone, though I felt a sneaky delight when I heard it.

Leave it to an empathetic woman to articulate what an apathetic man was unable to. :thumbup:
#374612
[putting yourself above the team is Poor sportsmanship. Vettel did those things and now the fans are displaying a similar lack of respect to him. What goes around comes around.[/size]:


And sneaking sensitive team tech information on Twitter is all right as long as that PR coached simpleton Hamilton does it.
#374616
[putting yourself above the team is Poor sportsmanship. Vettel did those things and now the fans are displaying a similar lack of respect to him. What goes around comes around.[/size]:


And sneaking sensitive team tech information on Twitter is all right as long as that PR coached simpleton Hamilton does it.


It was nice having these discussions with you Zekenwolf, sorry you're about to be banned :wink:
#374617
[putting yourself above the team is Poor sportsmanship. Vettel did those things and now the fans are displaying a similar lack of respect to him. What goes around comes around.[/size]:


And sneaking sensitive team tech information on Twitter is all right as long as that PR coached simpleton Hamilton does it.


It was nice having these discussions with you Zekenwolf, sorry you're about to be banned :wink:


Actually, I do really believe that releasing that kind of information in a highly competitive and expensive sport like F1 deserved more punishment than a simple slap on the wrist. That is irrespective of how much difference it made or Hamilton's actual motives - in reality he was probably just being silly - is besides the point. But in a multi-million dollar sport like F1, such an action comes close to leaking industrial secrets in big business.

That one indiscretion in Malaysia does not mean that Vettel 'puts himself above the team'. In almost all public statements - before and after that Multi-21 incident - Vettel attributes his wins as a team effort. In 2011 he bypassed a lucrative press conference in Germany to fly to the UK and go to Milton Keynes to personally thank the guys there for helping him to the WDC. Vettel never compares himself or anyone else to other drivers of the past, a silly and immature game that Hamilton used to indulge in the early days of his F1 career. Vettel does not claim or hint that he is going to win a race or the championship till he has actually won it. He does not make utterly hypocritical comments like "not wanting to be dominant but wanting to fight for the title" while everyone knows full well that the person who made that comment would give his eyeteeth to be in Vettel's shoes.

But people choose to ignore all those points and latch on to his imagined "arrogance" and of course 'Multi-21'. In fact, like someone said, Vettel is the least arrogant of the top drivers of today.
#374621
[putting yourself above the team is Poor sportsmanship. Vettel did those things and now the fans are displaying a similar lack of respect to him. What goes around comes around.[/size]:


And sneaking sensitive team tech information on Twitter is all right as long as that PR coached simpleton Hamilton does it.


It was nice having these discussions with you Zekenwolf, sorry you're about to be banned :wink:


Actually, I do really believe that releasing that kind of information in a highly competitive and expensive sport like F1 deserved more punishment than a simple slap on the wrist. That is irrespective of how much difference it made or Hamilton's actual motives - in reality he was probably just being silly - is besides the point. But in a multi-million dollar sport like F1, such an action comes close to leaking industrial secrets in big business.

That one indiscretion in Malaysia does not mean that Vettel 'puts himself above the team'. In almost all public statements - before and after that Multi-21 incident - Vettel attributes his wins as a team effort. In 2011 he bypassed a lucrative press conference in Germany to fly to the UK and go to Milton Keynes to personally thank the guys there for helping him to the WDC. Vettel never compares himself or anyone else to other drivers of the past, a silly and immature game that Hamilton used to indulge in the early days of his F1 career. Vettel does not claim or hint that he is going to win a race or the championship till he has actually won it. He does not make utterly hypocritical comments like "not wanting to be dominant but wanting to fight for the title" while everyone knows full well that the person who made that comment would give his eyeteeth to be in Vettel's shoes.

But people choose to ignore all those points and latch on to his imagined "arrogance" and of course 'Multi-21'. In fact, like someone said, Vettel is the least arrogant of the top drivers of today.


And that makes it all ok to call Hamilton a "Simpleton", why?
#374622
[putting yourself above the team is Poor sportsmanship. Vettel did those things and now the fans are displaying a similar lack of respect to him. What goes around comes around.[/size]:


And sneaking sensitive team tech information on Twitter is all right as long as that PR coached simpleton Hamilton does it.


It was nice having these discussions with you Zekenwolf, sorry you're about to be banned :wink:


Actually, I do really believe that releasing that kind of information in a highly competitive and expensive sport like F1 deserved more punishment than a simple slap on the wrist. That is irrespective of how much difference it made or Hamilton's actual motives - in reality he was probably just being silly - is besides the point. But in a multi-million dollar sport like F1, such an action comes close to leaking industrial secrets in big business.

That one indiscretion in Malaysia does not mean that Vettel 'puts himself above the team'. In almost all public statements - before and after that Multi-21 incident - Vettel attributes his wins as a team effort. In 2011 he bypassed a lucrative press conference in Germany to fly to the UK and go to Milton Keynes to personally thank the guys there for helping him to the WDC. Vettel never compares himself or anyone else to other drivers of the past, a silly and immature game that Hamilton used to indulge in the early days of his F1 career. Vettel does not claim or hint that he is going to win a race or the championship till he has actually won it. He does not make utterly hypocritical comments like "not wanting to be dominant but wanting to fight for the title" while everyone knows full well that the person who made that comment would give his eyeteeth to be in Vettel's shoes.

But people choose to ignore all those points and latch on to his imagined "arrogance" and of course 'Multi-21'. In fact, like someone said, Vettel is the least arrogant of the top drivers of today.

I didn't know you knew him personally. We're allowed our own opinions on drivers, you've got a distase for Hamilton, I've got a distaste for Vettel and my reasons for my distaste are just as valid as yours are for your distaste of Hamilton.

I wonder what we'd have seen from Vettel had his team given his wing to Webber... I wonder what Vettel will look like when he's no longer got the fastest car.

I've seen Hamilton at his best and at his worst and I've called him out plenty on this forum for bonehead moves and yet I'm still a fan because the guy is entertaining as hell to watch and I enjoy when he pulls rabbits out of hats. You on the other hand will have to wait until Vettel is struggling with a handful of a car, or better still, when he's trying to keep Ricciardo behind him in the points next year if he should turn out to be as good as he's hinted at being while driving a Toro Rosso.

Until I see otherwise, I'll maintain that Hamilton, Alonso, Raikonnen, Hulkenburg, Rosberg, and Perhaps even Button could have had the same handful of WDCs Vettel has if they were fortunate enough to be in the same seat.
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