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[1Lemon]

.... then only Ferrari can say whether the deal is worth their silent admission they threw out the wrong guy back in 2009.

I'm nor sure Ferrari would agree they made the wrong decision in '09. In the end its all about opinion, but, I think their opinion would be that the '09 Kimi was not up to the '07 Kimi or the '13 version. Perhaps his sabbatical is what reignited his career and results.

And you're right. I do have a wee bit of bias against it you know. It's not always easy to overcome. People change and grow, and perhaps Kimi did need the refocusing. Time will tell for sure and at this point anything that interrupts a quintuple double for Red Bull, I can get behind.

What I find disappointing for season 2013 is that, had they not changed the rules mid-season, it would definitely have been a race for the championship between Ferrari, RB and Lotus with Ferrari possibly being in the best position of those 3 teams. But, also, if the year had started on the "changed" rules then it would have been a race between Mercedes and Red Bull with Mercedes having the upper hand.

Now it's just RB...

[racechick]

.... then only Ferrari can say whether the deal is worth their silent admission they threw out the wrong guy back in 2009.

I'm nor sure Ferrari would agree they made the wrong decision in '09. In the end its all about opinion, but, I think their opinion would be that the '09 Kimi was not up to the '07 Kimi or the '13 version. Perhaps his sabbatical is what reignited his career and results.

And you're right. I do have a wee bit of bias against it you know. It's not always easy to overcome. People change and grow, and perhaps Kimi did need the refocusing. Time will tell for sure and at this point anything that interrupts a quintuple double for Red Bull, I can get behind.

What I find disappointing for season 2013 is that, had they not changed the rules mid-season, it would definitely have been a race for the championship between Ferrari, RB and Lotus with Ferrari possibly being in the best position of those 3 teams. But, also, if the year had started on the "changed" rules then it would have been a race between Mercedes and Red Bull with Mercedes having the upper hand.

Now it's just RB...

Well Bernie likes Sebastien. Seb has no manager but goes to Bernie for advice.....so there you go!

[Zekenwolf]

But, also, if the year had started on the "changed" rules then it would have been a race between Mercedes and Red Bull with Mercedes having the upper hand.

That is only speculation without any evidence. If the season had started with different rules, every team would have made appropriate set-up changes to suit. How that could have gone is anyone's guess.

[spankyham]

But, also, if the year had started on the "changed" rules then it would have been a race between Mercedes and Red Bull with Mercedes having the upper hand.

That is only speculation without any evidence. If the season had started with different rules, every team would have made appropriate set-up changes to suit. How that could have gone is anyone's guess.

Of course it's speculation. But I think there is some good evidence to support that. The rule change was the tire change. The Merc improved dramatically on the changed rubber and is consistently winning pole and can win races.

[Zekenwolf]

The rule change was the tire change. The Merc improved dramatically on the changed rubber and is consistently winning pole and can win races.

Yes, but that applies to Red Bull too because their results were also affected by the pre-Kevlar tyres. Vettel would have almost certainly won the Oz Grand prix if his car had not eaten its tyres as it did.

[sagi58]

The rule change was the tire change. The Merc improved dramatically on the changed rubber and is consistently winning pole and can win races.

Yes, but that applies to Red Bull too because their results were also affected by the pre-Kevlar tyres. Vettel would have almost certainly won the Oz Grand prix if his car had not eaten its tyres as it did.

Well, let's not forget that Red Bull was one of the teams that was pushing for the tires to be changed from the beginning!!