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[deMuRe]

But Ferrari's got their constructor's title served by FIA.

You are wrong Ferrari won the '07 WCC because McLaren were caught cheating, where have you been ? I personaly would have stripped McLaren of their WCC point's and their WDC point's, because of the PROOF we have concerning the email's, yet I would have enforced a much smaller, if any at all, financial fine.

I think Ferrari fans need to understand that it is this kind of behaviour that gets evryone else's backs up, and it will take a long time for us to forgive Ferrari for it.

Well as a Ferrari fan and your obvious McLaren support or just shere hatred for a truelly great team, we are tired of the constant whining and looking for a scapegoat, such as the FIA, for either having an inferior package or cheating in one form or fashion and then getting caught but still CRYING!

Ferrari is not the only team to hand over win's for point's to secure a WCC or WDC. The rule's have changed in that a driver cannot give up his car but other than that I see NO difference from the 'golden era' of F1?

We Tifosi want to hear you ADMIT, here and now, that if your favorite team did the same thing to secure a WDC or WCC, would you still be crying 'WOLF'?

Heh, the thing that gets me Texas, the McLaren fans that constantly b!tch about the FIA favouring Ferrari don't realise that the FIA didn't ban them from the 2008 championship entirely because there would be nobody to take the fight to Ferrari.

So McLaren are the ones getting favours from the FIA, yet Ferrari are STILL accused of conspiracy.

Sometimes you lose the energy to continue this argument...

[Mikep99]

When Schumacher was at Ferrari there was a clear No 1 & No 2 driver. But I don’t think this policy was only because of favouritism for him but more the ability & potential of the teammate.
I would say the teammate was purposely picked with this in mind.
This policy has its pro’s and cons but it does not make for excitement on the track when the car is the class of the field & the only true opposition is itself.
I honestly don’t think there was any team mate at his time at Ferrari that could hold a candle to him 98% of the time. Irvine even admitted it in so many words.
Yes on the very rare occasion he was out performed it was glaringly made obvious he was the No 1 driver & this was played up by the media big time but realistically this would not have changed much in the final outcome.
I even have admitted that the Schumacher era was a boring time in F1 for on track entertainment but the fact is his team mates & the opposition were not up to the challenge.
Can you imagine if Ferrari had two drivers of equal ability in this period, every race would have been a 1 – 2 & for some reason I still get the impression Ferrari would have been lambasted for it for another reason –

Just take your pick, any reason will do it seems.

[onelapdown]

If the two Ferrari drivers had been allowed to fight each other on the track I would have had no complaint whatsoever. I am delighted that this is what seems to be the case since Schumacher left, but like I say, it will take a while before I forgive them for their past contempt for the sporting integrity of motor racing. I actually don't have a problem with team orders near the end of a tight season when one driver obviously has a better chance, that's justifiable, but the tactics employed by Ferrari during Schumacher's time went way, way too far.

[darwin dali]

If the two Ferrari drivers had been allowed to fight each other on the track I would have had no complaint whatsoever. I am delighted that this is what seems to be the case since Schumacher left, but like I say, it will take a while before I forgive them for their past contempt for the sporting integrity of motor racing. I actually don't have a problem with team orders near the end of a tight season when one driver obviously has a better chance, that's justifiable, but the tactics employed by Ferrari during Schumacher's time went way, way too far.

I hope you'll be holding McLaren to the same standard for contempt of sporting integrity of motor racing for their clear violation of the sporting regulations and for bringing the entire sport into disrespute

[Mikep99]

If the two Ferrari drivers had been allowed to fight each other on the track I would have had no complaint whatsoever. I am delighted that this is what seems to be the case since Schumacher left, but like I say, it will take a while before I forgive them for their past contempt for the sporting integrity of motor racing. I actually don't have a problem with team orders near the end of a tight season when one driver obviously has a better chance, that's justifiable, but the tactics employed by Ferrari during Schumacher's time went way, way too far.

I hope you'll be holding McLaren to the same standard for contempt of sporting integrity of motor racing for their clear violation of the sporting regulations and for bringing the entire sport into disrespute

But that's different DD, don't you know anything.

[bud]

If the two Ferrari drivers had been allowed to fight each other on the track I would have had no complaint whatsoever. I am delighted that this is what seems to be the case since Schumacher left, but like I say, it will take a while before I forgive them for their past contempt for the sporting integrity of motor racing. I actually don't have a problem with team orders near the end of a tight season when one driver obviously has a better chance, that's justifiable, but the tactics employed by Ferrari during Schumacher's time went way, way too far.

I hope you'll be holding McLaren to the same standard for contempt of sporting integrity of motor racing for their clear violation of the sporting regulations and for bringing the entire sport into disrespute

Schumacher was a rougue employee who secretly instilled his team order status within the team without the knowledge of Todt or Brawn huh

[onelapdown]

If the two Ferrari drivers had been allowed to fight each other on the track I would have had no complaint whatsoever. I am delighted that this is what seems to be the case since Schumacher left, but like I say, it will take a while before I forgive them for their past contempt for the sporting integrity of motor racing. I actually don't have a problem with team orders near the end of a tight season when one driver obviously has a better chance, that's justifiable, but the tactics employed by Ferrari during Schumacher's time went way, way too far.

I hope you'll be holding McLaren to the same standard for contempt of sporting integrity of motor racing for their clear violation of the sporting regulations and for bringing the entire sport into disrespute

But that's different DD, don't you know anything.

I'm not saying McLaren cheating is any different. Both actions brought the sport into disrepute.

[nikon133]

But Ferrari's got their constructor's title served by FIA.

You are wrong Ferrari won the '07 WCC because McLaren were caught cheating, where have you been ? I personaly would have stripped McLaren of their WCC point's and their WDC point's, because of the PROOF we have concerning the email's, yet I would have enforced a much smaller, if any at all, financial fine.

I think Ferrari fans need to understand that it is this kind of behaviour that gets evryone else's backs up, and it will take a long time for us to forgive Ferrari for it.

Well as a Ferrari fan and your obvious McLaren support or just shere hatred for a truelly great team, we are tired of the constant whining and looking for a scapegoat, such as the FIA, for either having an inferior package or cheating in one form or fashion and then getting caught but still CRYING!

Ferrari is not the only team to hand over win's for point's to secure a WCC or WDC. The rule's have changed in that a driver cannot give up his car but other than that I see NO difference from the 'golden era' of F1?

We Tifosi want to hear you ADMIT, here and now, that if your favorite team did the same thing to secure a WDC or WCC, would you still be crying 'WOLF'?

Well, I see it differently. One thing is "McLaren did something illegal" and another thing is "Their car was illegal". If car was legal, then all the points they won drivers and team wise are legally won; if not, for sure both team and drivers should have been stripped of their points. But much as I know, it was not proven any of Ferrari IP was used in McLaren car.

Before we continue this rant (hopefully not), I must say I would hold on to this in general, no matter what team is involved. But hey, it's just my opinion.

[AKR]

Weeeellll... Kimi won fairly and I don't think anybody complained about that. But Ferrari's got their constructor's title served by FIA, and I don't think that was fair, after all the controversy we had from Max during that judging. From my point of view, team was supposed to be fined financially for having Ferrari's info, but as it was not proved that any of that was used in McLaren's car, I still think they should of keep their points. Anyway...

Weeeeellll, I guess it shows then Ferrari can do what they like then and when they do, things happen. . That is if you believe that McLaren never cheated I guess. Proves my point as well that F1 is all about Ferrari and everything revolves around Ferrari. Think of it like this. Ferrari is like the Sun in the Solar System and all the other teams are like the planets the revolve around the Sun. In the case of F1, everything revolves around Ferrari. Very simple example isn't?

[onelapdown]

I find it pretty difficult to see how this ridiculously Ferrari-centric view of F1 adds anything to your enjoyment of the sport AKR. Perhaps you ought to go and see some lower formula races and maybe then you'd see there's more enjoyment to be had in racing than simply basking in the reflected glory of your team winning. I think you're missing out.

[AKR]

I find it pretty difficult to see how this ridiculously Ferrari-centric view of F1 adds anything to your enjoyment of the sport AKR. Perhaps you ought to go and see some lower formula races and maybe then you'd see there's more enjoyment to be had in racing than simply basking in the reflected glory of your team winning. I think you're missing out.

I thought I explained this before. I will say it again. I enjoy watching Ferrari winning just like watching any team I follow in football win. I want any football team I follow to always win so likewise I always want Ferrari to win. There is pure and utter enjoyment in that for me. Now would you like to see your football team ever lose Mr Onelapdown? I bet not.

[bud]

I find it pretty difficult to see how this ridiculously Ferrari-centric view of F1 adds anything to your enjoyment of the sport AKR. Perhaps you ought to go and see some lower formula races and maybe then you'd see there's more enjoyment to be had in racing than simply basking in the reflected glory of your team winning. I think you're missing out.

I thought I explained this before. I will say it again. I enjoy watching Ferrari winning just like watching any team I follow in football win. I want any football team I follow to always win so likewise I always want Ferrari to win. There is pure and utter enjoyment in that for me. Now would you like to see your football team ever lose Mr Onelapdown? I bet not.

SOrry to say AKR but just watching a sport to see if the team wins or not doesnt make you a real fan, see most of us are interested in the racing of F1 and other series,the skill of driving fast, racing craft the cars themselves etc
i dunno maybe its just because some of us race aswell and watch it for different reasons than just being a fan boy and wanting a team to win and not even caring about the sport itself, more to the outcome of said team to make ones life all pretty and pink

[onelapdown]

True, I don't enjoy watching Liverpool lose, but if the game is an exciting one I can live with it. I'm not saying you shouldn't enjoy Ferrari, or Juve and Milan, winning, but there is more to enjoy than that.

Incidentally isn't supporting Milan AND Juventus a bit like supporting Liverpool AND Man United?

[AKR]

True, I don't enjoy watching Liverpool lose, but if the game is an exciting one I can live with it. I'm not saying you shouldn't enjoy Ferrari, or Juve and Milan, winning, but there is more to enjoy than that.

Incidentally isn't supporting Milan AND Juventus a bit like supporting Liverpool AND Man United?

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Main Rivalry are Juve Vs Inter and Juve Vs Torino and AC Milan Vs Inter and AS Roma Vs Lazio. Consequently I DO NOT LIKE INTER

[AKR]

I find it pretty difficult to see how this ridiculously Ferrari-centric view of F1 adds anything to your enjoyment of the sport AKR. Perhaps you ought to go and see some lower formula races and maybe then you'd see there's more enjoyment to be had in racing than simply basking in the reflected glory of your team winning. I think you're missing out.

I thought I explained this before. I will say it again. I enjoy watching Ferrari winning just like watching any team I follow in football win. I want any football team I follow to always win so likewise I always want Ferrari to win. There is pure and utter enjoyment in that for me. Now would you like to see your football team ever lose Mr Onelapdown? I bet not.

SOrry to say AKR but just watching a sport to see if the team wins or not doesnt make you a real fan, see most of us are interested in the racing of F1 and other series,the skill of driving fast, racing craft the cars themselves etc
i dunno maybe its just because some of us race aswell and watch it for different reasons than just being a fan boy and wanting a team to win and not even caring about the sport itself, more to the outcome of said team to make ones life all pretty and pink

I have raced many a time. Just not legally. But better not go there as do not want to upset anyone.

and I do like other motorsport, mostly rally, rallycross, touringcars and GTs where I support a number of makes (Mainly Fiat, Ford, Alfa Romeo, Nissan, Porsche and Saab) and have an approach or different views there as a fan. Basically a view nowhere near as aggressive as my view towards Ferrari in F1.