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[sagi58]

Kimi is going to get a rough ride from the devout Massa fans, until he starts "proving" he's a better choice at Ferrari.
Even then, many of them will be looking for things to criticize, probably starting with the fact he's not as politically correct or diplomatic as some!!

Kimi has a large number of fans when he was with Ferrari and those fans will come back.....i would venture to say that for evey Massa fan that leaves the Tifosi Kimi will bring in 1000

Kimi has 1000 times more marketing appeal than Massa

I very much doubt that, however Raikkonen probably has about 1000 time more appeal than Alonso.

Then he's got a lousy agent. Cause he's not turning that appeal into cash.

It's not always about the money!!

[What's Burning?]

Kimi is going to get a rough ride from the devout Massa fans, until he starts "proving" he's a better choice at Ferrari.
Even then, many of them will be looking for things to criticize, probably starting with the fact he's not as politically correct or diplomatic as some!!

Kimi has a large number of fans when he was with Ferrari and those fans will come back.....i would venture to say that for evey Massa fan that leaves the Tifosi Kimi will bring in 1000

Kimi has 1000 times more marketing appeal than Massa

I very much doubt that, however Raikkonen probably has about 1000 time more appeal than Alonso.

Then he's got a lousy agent. Cause he's not turning that appeal into cash.

It's not always about the money!!

If that's the case he would have stayed at Lotus.

[sagi58]

Kimi is going to get a rough ride from the devout Massa fans, until he starts "proving" he's a better choice at Ferrari.
Even then, many of them will be looking for things to criticize, probably starting with the fact he's not as politically correct or diplomatic as some!!

Kimi has a large number of fans when he was with Ferrari and those fans will come back.....i would venture to say that for evey Massa fan that leaves the Tifosi Kimi will bring in 1000

Kimi has 1000 times more marketing appeal than Massa

I very much doubt that, however Raikkonen probably has about 1000 time more appeal than Alonso.

Then he's got a lousy agent. Cause he's not turning that appeal into cash.

It's not always about the money!!

If that's the case he would have stayed at Lotus.

He ain't stupid!!

[What's Burning?]

Kimi is going to get a rough ride from the devout Massa fans, until he starts "proving" he's a better choice at Ferrari.
Even then, many of them will be looking for things to criticize, probably starting with the fact he's not as politically correct or diplomatic as some!!

Kimi has a large number of fans when he was with Ferrari and those fans will come back.....i would venture to say that for evey Massa fan that leaves the Tifosi Kimi will bring in 1000

Kimi has 1000 times more marketing appeal than Massa

I very much doubt that, however Raikkonen probably has about 1000 time more appeal than Alonso.

Then he's got a lousy agent. Cause he's not turning that appeal into cash.

It's not always about the money!!

If that's the case he would have stayed at Lotus.

He ain't stupid!!

Then he's in it for the money, like everyone else. You're arguing both sides of the coin?

[sagi58]

Kimi is going to get a rough ride from the devout Massa fans, until he starts "proving" he's a better choice at Ferrari.
Even then, many of them will be looking for things to criticize, probably starting with the fact he's not as politically correct or diplomatic as some!!

Kimi has a large number of fans when he was with Ferrari and those fans will come back.....i would venture to say that for evey Massa fan that leaves the Tifosi Kimi will bring in 1000

Kimi has 1000 times more marketing appeal than Massa

I very much doubt that, however Raikkonen probably has about 1000 time more appeal than Alonso.

Then he's got a lousy agent. Cause he's not turning that appeal into cash.

It's not always about the money!!

If that's the case he would have stayed at Lotus.

He ain't stupid!!

Then he's in it for the money, like everyone else. You're arguing both sides of the coin?

Not at all, because Life is not about black and white/extremes!!! There are always going to be grey/middle areas!!

p.s. nice use of an axiom!! haha...

[What's Burning?]

It's not always about the money!!

If that's the case he would have stayed at Lotus.

He ain't stupid!!

Then he's in it for the money, like everyone else. You're arguing both sides of the coin?

Not at all, because Life is not about black and white/extremes!!! There are always going to be grey/middle areas!!

p.s. nice use of an axiom!! haha...

It was you saying that it's not always about the money... perhaps it would have been more accurate to have said, it's not entirely about the money. My fault for taking your words at face value.

[sagi58]

It was you saying that it's not always about the money... perhaps it would have been more accurate to have said, it's not entirely about the money. My fault for taking your words at face value.

It's not your fault. You're a man. Men see the world in black and white.
It's us women that bring in the greys!!

[Hammer278]

It was you saying that it's not always about the money... perhaps it would have been more accurate to have said, it's not entirely about the money. My fault for taking your words at face value.

It's not your fault. You're a man. Men see the world in black and white.
It's us women that bring in the greys!!

And if only you didn't, the world would such a simpler place and much less heartbreaking.

Though not as exciting, admittedly.

[sagi58]

It was you saying that it's not always about the money... perhaps it would have been more accurate to have said, it's not entirely about the money. My fault for taking your words at face value.

It's not your fault. You're a man. Men see the world in black and white.
It's us women that bring in the greys!!

And if only you didn't, the world would such a simpler place and much less heartbreaking.

Though not as exciting, admittedly.

Somebody's gotta keep you honest, eh?

[Hammer278]

Somebody's gotta hurt me reel baddd.

[sagi58]

Somebody's gotta hurt me reel baddd.

Go ahead:

Take your pick:

[Zekenwolf]

Kimi is going to get a rough ride from the devout Massa fans, until he starts "proving" he's a better choice at Ferrari.
Even then, many of them will be looking for things to criticize, probably starting with the fact he's not as politically correct or diplomatic as some!!

Kimi has a large number of fans when he was with Ferrari and those fans will come back.....i would venture to say that for evey Massa fan that leaves the Tifosi Kimi will bring in 1000

Kimi has 1000 times more marketing appeal than Massa

I very much doubt that, however Raikkonen probably has about 1000 time more appeal than Alonso.

Then he's got a lousy agent. Cause he's not turning that appeal into cash.

It's not always about the money!!

If that's the case he would have stayed at Lotus.

I think it is the difference in the two men's characters that makes them seem so wide apart from each other I am sure that both of them care about success, prestige and of course the money that comes with it. But whereas Alonso is more intense and takes failure ( even if he ins the runner-up) to heart, Kimi is more laid back and willing to wait for another shot. But come 2014, he will be smart enough to know that he will be measured-up against Alonso and I have a feeling that he is going to show a lot of commitment.

Personally, I like to watch Raikkonen's aggressive driving style, the way he flings the car around corners when in the mood. As I said before, they two men should make perfect foils for each other and it will be interesting to watch them in action next year.

[What's Burning?]

See that's not the Raikkonen I remember back in 2008 and 2009, so Ferrari must have had their good reasons for shuffling him off. Things change, driver's grow, perhaps the car will be competitive which will drive the results for the team. However, I think if Ferrari produce an uncompetitive car, then Kimi will give it even less effort than you guys feel Massa gave it.

[Jabberwocky]

Seems Kimi will be arriving at Ferrari next year with his own Beer

 wrote:">Ferrari sign Lotus aerodynamics boss De Beer

Ferrari have made their second high-level technical recruitment this year, signing Lotus's head of aerodynamics Dirk De Beer.

The Italian team have already taken on Lotus's former technical director James Allison.

The South African is not well known but is highly rated within the sport.

Lotus took the unusual step of asking him to keep working on their 2014 car after he handed in his resignation a few weeks ago.

Ferrari's deal with De Beer was done several months ago, in the wake of them agreeing the deal with Allison, who has worked with him for several years.



Ferrari have not yet officially announced his arrival but sources say he will start work in Maranello on 1 October.

He is attending a meeting of F1's technical working group - which discusses rule changes - with Allison in London on Friday.

De Beer will initially work alongside the team's head of aerodynamics Loic Bigois and under Allison, who as technical director (chassis) is responsible for all design aspects of the car.

Ferrari have not won the world title since 2007 and have admitted that they are still struggling to cope with the disappointment of Fernando Alonso losing out on the championship in agonising style last year.

The Spaniard also should have won in 2010, only for Ferrari to throw away the championship with a strategic error in the final race of the season.

But their recruitment drive this season underlines their determination to replace Red Bull as the dominant force in F1.

Having signed Allison and De Beer, they this week also recruited Kimi Raikkonen as team-mate to Alonso next season, giving them the strongest driver line-up on the grid.

The departures are a blow for Lotus, who are also to lose their head of computational fluid dynamics (CFD), a crucial design tool.

Replacing De Beer next month as head of aero at Lotus will be Nicolas Hennel, who is currently at Ferrari.

I am sure I have heard of Ferrari poaching most of the Enstone based team before. As I remember it worked out quite well for them

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[ptiberio]

Kimi is going to get a rough ride from the devout Massa fans, until he starts "proving" he's a better choice at Ferrari.
Even then, many of them will be looking for things to criticize, probably starting with the fact he's not as politically correct or diplomatic as some!!

Kimi has a large number of fans when he was with Ferrari and those fans will come back.....i would venture to say that for evey Massa fan that leaves the Tifosi Kimi will bring in 1000

Kimi has 1000 times more marketing appeal than Massa

I very much doubt that, however Raikkonen probably has about 1000 time more appeal than Alonso.

Then he's got a lousy agent. Cause he's not turning that appeal into cash.

It's not always about the money!!

If that's the case he would have stayed at Lotus.

He was tired of receiving IOU's