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[Big Azza]

Wow Zeken you seem really angry about it all. I wouldn't let it worry you. As long as you know he is a good driver and he entertains you, why worry about what all the other haters think...?

Me? Angry? The only thing I know about anger is how to spell it!

I just like to put my point in, that's all. My wife thinks that I should've been a writer.

I've been a primarily a Vettel fan since the beginning of 2009 (although I liked him from Monaco 2008).

I was primarily a Hamilton fan in 2007/2008.

I've learned that there is no point in trying to prove your point to F1 fans. We are some of the most craziest, one-eyed, opinionated fans on the planet.

It's interesting too, I've gone from blatantly defending Hamilton, to being accused of hating him.

[What's Burning?]

Wow Zeken you seem really angry about it all. I wouldn't let it worry you. As long as you know he is a good driver and he entertains you, why worry about what all the other haters think...?

Me? Angry? The only thing I know about anger is how to spell it!

I just like to put my point in, that's all. My wife thinks that I should've been a writer.

I've been a primarily a Vettel fan since the beginning of 2009 (although I liked him from Monaco 2008).

I was primarily a Hamilton fan in 2007/2008.

I've learned that there is no point in trying to prove your point to F1 fans. We are some of the most craziest, one-eyed, opinionated fans on the planet.

It's interesting too, I've gone from blatantly defending Hamilton, to being accused of hating him.

I wouldn't get caught up in the accusations, then again lots of guys go from their first wives, to their second with quite a bit of love loss in between.

[Zekenwolf]

Wow Zeken you seem really angry about it all. I wouldn't let it worry you. As long as you know he is a good driver and he entertains you, why worry about what all the other haters think...?

Me? Angry? The only thing I know about anger is how to spell it!

I just like to put my point in, that's all. My wife thinks that I should've been a writer.

I've been a primarily a Vettel fan since the beginning of 2009 (although I liked him from Monaco 2008).

I was primarily a Hamilton fan in 2007/2008.

I've learned that there is no point in trying to prove your point to F1 fans. We are some of the most craziest, one-eyed, opinionated fans on the planet.

It's interesting too, I've gone from blatantly defending Hamilton, to being accused of hating him.

Interesting. I started out as a Prost fan but suddenly changed to a Senna supporter in 1989 and so remained till the latter's death.

I was on on-off Scumacher fan during his career but cooled off a lot due to his well known shenanigans on the track. I gave him the benefir of doubt with the Hill incident but after the Villenueve shunt it was rather obvious.

Disliked Hamilton from the start, but I ackowledge that he is a fine driver. But I have warmed to him a bit in the last 12 months or so. But will never be a supporter.

I became a Vettel fan after his brilliant drive to victory in the 2009 Chinese GP under atrocious conditions. Just about everyone else spun at least once and Vettel somehow kept the car on track even after being hit from behind by Buemi.

[LewEngBridewell]

I'm a team player at heart and F1 is a team sport, so Seb's behaviour at Malaysia really bothered me. Did he really think it was okay to ignore a directive, from the team that made him one of the premier players in his chosen sport? You can argue against Red Bull telling him to hold position , but in my opinion ignoring a team order is unacceptable under any circumstances.

Seb's disobedience certainly gave us an exciting climax to the race though!

[andrew]

I'm a team player at heart and F1 is a team sport, so Seb's behaviour at Malaysia really bothered me. Did he really think it was okay to ignore a directive, from the team that made him one of the premier players in his chosen sport? You can argue against Red Bull telling him to hold position , but in my opinion ignoring a team order is unacceptable under any circumstances.

Seb's disobedience certainly gave us an exciting climax to the race though!

It showed he has the ruthless streak to be one of the greatest, but it was only Webber so it didn't really matter!

[darwin dali]

I don't hate Seb! (And my support lies largely with McLaren). I just think he's adorable. I hope to marry him in the next few years.

Mine, mine, mine!!!

[darwin dali]

I became a Vettel fan after his brilliant drive to victory in the 2009 Chinese GP under atrocious conditions. Just about everyone else spun at least once and Vettel somehow kept the car on track even after being hit from behind by Buemi.

I was sold when I saw him subbing for Kubica at BMW in the US GP 2007.

[darwin dali]

but it was only Webber so it didn't really matter!

A bit harsh

[What's Burning?]

I became a Vettel fan after his brilliant drive to victory in the 2009 Chinese GP under atrocious conditions. Just about everyone else spun at least once and Vettel somehow kept the car on track even after being hit from behind by Buemi.

I was sold when I saw him subbing for Kubica at BMW in the US GP 2007.

Are you insinuating Seb's a bottom?

[Zekenwolf]

Interesting that Ferrari felt that Vettel & Alonso would be "two cockerels in the same hen house" and so unsuitable but a few months down the line Raikkonen is accepted. I wonder what the thinking is? My feeling is that they are now concentrating solely on the WCC. Makes sense in a way because for the team that would be more important.

[Big Azza]

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/195621/1/herbert_vettels_best_is_still_to_come.html

Herbert: Vettel’s best is still to come 12 September 2013
Johnny Herbert warns that the best is still to come from three-time F1 champion Sebastian Vettel as German chases fourth title

Former F1 racer Johnny Herbert has warned Sebastian Vettel's rivals that he believes the German's best years are still ahead of him.

The Red Bull driver currently heads the championship standings by 53 points on the back of his sixth win of the campaign and is now hot favourite to wrap up the crown for a fourth successive season.

Should he achieve his goal, the 26-year-old Juan Manuel Fangio and Michael Schumacher as one of only three men to win four straight championship titles with Alain Prost the only other driver to have taken four championships in his career – albeit not in consecutive seasons.

Speaking to The Sun, Herbert – now a pundit for Sky - said he felt Vettel was more than capable of challenging the records set by countryman Schumacher, who has the most wins and most pole positions of anyone to have competed in the sport.

The Briton – who partnered Schumacher at Benetton – added that he saw plenty of similarities between the two German drivers, particularly because of the ruthless manner in which Vettel beat team-mate Mark Webber to victory in Malaysia earlier in the year.

“I don't think we've seen the best of him and he will continue to grow,” he said of Vettel. “He definitely has a good chance of breaking Michael's record. And numbers — championships, wins, pole positions etc — are in Sebastian's DNA.

“There does seem to be a similarity with Michael, especially this year when we have seen a very different Sebastian Vettel. We saw it particularly in that controversy in Malaysia early in the year, when he overtook his team-mate Mark Webber to grab the win.

“That was definitely a 'Michael moment'. Sebastian showed he was willing to take everything he can, when he can, as soon as he can – and that's what Michael would have done. Michael was always about winning the championship as soon as possible so it was wrapped up early on.

“Even in press conferences now Sebastian sounds just like Michael – the words he uses and the context in which he uses them. You could definitely call him a Schumacher MkII.”

Whilst the comparisons to Michael Schumacher are inevitable, I think what Vettel has achieved so far in his career at such an age is unlike any legend in the history of the sport.

Even if Vettel just stops at 4 WDCs (and that is a big IF) I'd still like to think that, in 50 years' time, I'll be able to mention him to my grand kids in the same breath as Prost, Senna, Fangio, Lauda and Schumacher.

That is the thing that really impresses me so much about this time in F1 at the moment. We are watching someone who will evidently be regarded as a legend in the future.....

I don't think drivers are regarded as legendary until decades after they've retired.

[Zekenwolf]

Even if Vettel just stops at 4 WDCs

Don't worry, he won't stop at that, although there are plenty of wishful thinkers here and elsewhere who hope that he might.

[racechick]

sorry Big Azza. He's done nothing yet to show me he's ahead of Hamilton and Alonso. Just as Schumacher didn't do anything to show me he was better than Senna.

There probably is more to come from Vettel, certainly there is from Hamilton.

[Zekenwolf]

He's done nothing yet to show me he's ahead of Hamilton and Alonso. Just as Schumacher didn't do anything to show me he was better than Senna.

There probably is more to come from Vettel, certainly there is from Hamilton.

I think Vettel is well past the point where he has to "show" anyone how good he really is. As I said before, the widespread antagonism is bound to have an inverse effect - almost certainly has already. I doubt if Vettel now cares two hoots about others' opinion of him and would rather get the wins and championships than the cheers.

I just wonder at what stage your little pet Hamilton begins to think on the same lines.

[racechick]

He's done nothing yet to show me he's ahead of Hamilton and Alonso. Just as Schumacher didn't do anything to show me he was better than Senna.

There probably is more to come from Vettel, certainly there is from Hamilton.

I think Vettel is well past the point where he has to "show" anyone how good he really is. As I said before, the widespread antagonism is bound to have an inverse effect - almost certainly has already. I doubt if Vettel now cares two hoots about others' opinion of him and would rather get the wins and championships than the cheers.

I just wonder at what stage your little pet Hamilton begins to think on the same lines.

Why would Hamilton need to start mimicking Vettel? He's a different person completely and doing fine as he is.

And I wonder why so many Vettel fans find it difficult to accept that there are two others drivers out there at least as good as Vettel? I wonder if its because of niggling doubts that perhaps the car is rather more a feature than they care to admit? Just a thought.