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#371737
I've been searching for a while for an article that describes the cornering characteristics of the three best F1 drivers. It was written by Hughes earlier this year. I think it's a great read, so here is his description of each of their respective skills.


Fernando Alonso - Making Understeer Interesting

Fernando is medium-hard on the brakes and with a bit of overlap between braking and cornering. Then as he’s coming fully off the brakes he applies a lot of lock very quickly, initially partly stalling the front tyre to give a sort of false understeer. Occasionally the front will bite better than he anticipates and with so much lock on that can induce the rear into suddenly stepping out – and it’s then you see him applying punches of oversteer to which he’s very attuned, as if he’s half-expecting it. More usually the understeer stays through most of the corner and the balance is maintained with more or less throttle.

It’s a less extreme version of the technique that was very evident in the rearward-heavy Renaults of 2003-’06. But it wasn’t invented for those cars, they simply allowed him to amplify it to good effect. “I’ve always driven like that – ever since karts,” he said back in 2003.

It’s a technique that allows him to take in enormous momentum, making the car very alive but without the hazard of too much oversteer. It lends itself to great repeatability, but puts a slightly low ceiling on ultimate peak grip. But it’s consistent, makes the car malleable in that crucial, early part of the corner and it keeps strain off the delicate rear tyres. It’s a great fighting technique, working over a wide variety of lines and grip levels as he uses the throttle to fine- hone the car’s placement.

It’s a bullying technique, dominating the car rather than going with its flow in the way, for example, Kimi Raikkonen would. It’s quite similar, in fact, to how Felipe Massa drives but is less aggressive on the brakes, slightly earlier and therefore more consistent, with fewer line-altering lock-ups. It was a technique that allowed Alonso to minimise the penalty of the trait of 2010 and ’11 Ferraris not bringing their front tyres up to temperature quickly enough.

Because he doesn’t actually need the ultimate front grip; so long as he gets some sort of turn-in he’s manipulating the angle with brakes and throttle, almost rally-style. It’s a long way removed from the minimal-input neutrality Michael Schumacher used to stretch the Ferrari elastic in the tyre-war days, but in the Pirelli era Alonso’s more physical technique is probably more effective. Michael was still trying to drive his way in the control-tyre era, using steering lock only grudgingly on his Mercedes, his brain hard-wired to feel that steering lock equalled momentum loss. But when the tyre cannot support the momentum, the car refuses to adopt a stance of sliding neutrality after just the slightest hint of steering lock. Thus the Alonso method is much more adaptable.

With the higher grip of the 2013 Pirellis it’s going to be interesting to see if that still applies. If it does not, expect Alonso to adapt, just as he did when going from Michelins to Bridgestones in 2007 – though it took him a few races.


Sebastian Vettel - The Turn-in 'Rotation-meister'

Like Alonso, Vettel is medium-hard on the brakes but less brutal with the initial steering. He prefers the car to be quite nervous and pointy on entry and is ready to remove some of the initial lock once the front has gripped and caused the rear to step out. He has a great feel for pivoting the car in this way to quicken its direction change.

With the Red Bull’s exhaust-enhanced rear downforce he was the first to develop a counter- intuitive technique of taking what would normally be excessive speed in, getting the front in and then using the resultant oversteer to get him the direction change early in the corner.

Conventionally, this would be counter- productive; the slide would continue after you’d got the direction change, losing you momentum and more than losing what you’d just gained. But with exhaust-enhanced downforce like he had in 2011, he would at this point get back hard on the throttle and have the exhaust gas do its stuff by nailing the back end. So he’d get to have his cake and eat it.

It’s a very unnatural thing to do – with the tail threatening to slide too far, the last thing you feel you want to do is stand on the gas. But Seb proved brilliantly adept at it. When the 2012 regulations took most of the blown-diffuser effect away, the Red Bull initially was merely competitive – and into the bargain Vettel’s superiority over team-mate Mark Webber evaporated. But into the last third of the season Red Bull had not only got a significant chunk of exhaust-derived downforce back via re-shaping of the rear bodywork, but had also introduced a tweak in the rear suspension that gave the car a roll-oversteer characteristic into slow turns.

This got Seb back his quick direction change – and now with enough exhaust-enhanced rear downforce to tame that slide once he got back on the throttle. It loosely replicated the behaviour of the 2011 car, enough to allow Seb back what he termed “my tricks”. Watching the RB9 in action at Barcelona testing through the slow section at the end of the lap it’s very clear that the trait has been retained, maybe even enhanced.

The car positively rotates around itself as the rear rolls, nice and early into the corner, getting the car perfectly lined up with the apex and enabling the steering lock to be removed as he nails the throttle. It’s a beautiful case study of technology and technique developing together.

How much the impetus has come from Adrian Newey and the Red Bull vehicle dynamicists and how much from Vettel isn’t clear, but it isn’t important. It’s almost certainly been an organic development, a direction to follow that has allowed the driver to take full advantage of his strengths and perhaps leading the engineers in a direction they wouldn’t have otherwise thought to go. Why, after all, would you ordinarily want to introduce roll-oversteer into a car?


Lewis Hamilton - Last of the Late Brakers
Lewis is a traditional late-braking, oversteer- loving driver in the lineage of Jochen Rindt, Ronnie Peterson, Keke Rosberg and Mika Hakkinen. He has a fantastic feel for how to modulate the brake pedal as the downforce bleeds away, reducing the pressure so as to keep the wheels just on the point of locking after a very heavy and late initial application when the car is smothered in aerodynamic grip.

Hamilton demands a lot of braking power. He will then take a geometrically perfect line, usually visibly later than Alonso into a slow corner, and will carry an audacious entry speed as he turns in, too much for the rear end to stay in line. But without the same degree of exhaust-type downforce as the Red Bull, typically that rear-end slide lasts longer and consumes more time than Vettel’s, forcing a lower mid-corner minimum speed. But his exquisite feel minimises the downsides of that; he’s onto it early and can carry way more momentum than anyone else in an oversteering state in a conventional car.

He’s very much a reactive driver in the sense that he’s prepared to deal with whatever consequences the car throws at him after he’s pointed it at the apex, not needing to build up to find a particular groove and rhythm.

He’s not dealing with the last finger-tip sensations of tyre grip through steering feel, but simply reacting to what the car does, confident that he can invariably deal with it. Although Paddy Lowe at the time reckoned Lewis’s ease with oversteer would probably lead McLaren down a development path of more aggressively pointy cars, not needing to have them as stable as with previous drivers, it didn’t really pan out that way. The arrival of Jenson Button maybe had something to do with this. Certainly there were traits about the 2010 car that Button didn’t care for and it was notable that he was much happier with the general neutrality of the 2011 and ’12 cars.

Hamilton meanwhile simply adapted to what he was given – and that’s the beauty of his preferred technique; it’s fantastically adaptable for all handling traits, tyre behaviour, grip levels and weather conditions. Only in changeable conditions, with grip varying from one corner tothenextlapbylap–suchaswesawfora time in Brazil last year – did Button’s finer- honed feel allow him to be faster.



I found that a fascinating read. What do others think?
#371807
Why is Lewis listed last??? :hehe:

Interesting read for sure, although an attempt to quantify and categorise something akin to magic

I suspect that the reality is that what makes these drivers special is less excellence in one particular approach, but an ability to adopt absolutely any approach or technique as is needed and make it work when needed. So I would say given different circumstances and cars/teams/experience, you could swap each driver in that article.

I would say Lewis could drive any car in any way given a few races, and so could Alonso and Seb. Might take Seb longest to adapt, then Alonso with Lewis quickest. But once adapted I reckon Lewis would go fastest then Seb then Alonso
#371809
The last time anybody braked late was when there was ABS, so Hamilton can't be the last. :hehe:

Hehe that was tongue in cheek. So many admired drivers have had that label. Alesi comes to mind. Generally it's anyone that drives on the ragged edge, like Hunt or maybe Herbert. But there are things about Alesi that make him possibly my favourite driver.
Perez and Maldonado like to occasionally give the impression they're like that, but I think they're just trying to prove something.
Damon hill was considered an understeer setup man, whereas his main rival, MS, was considered to be very pointy.
Hill and Prost were so smooth that when they drove for the same team, the team would glide like butter.
When Barricello drove with MS he was always slower because he was a right foot braker and the telemetry showed a delay at every corner to move the foot from pedal to pedal.
Hakinnen? I don't know what he was, he was just fast. Maybe he beat the Ferraris because they couldn't get his number!
Senna could setup for both under and over steer and drive on them with equal skill as required for the track or conditions.
#371818
That's a very good question. And where might Seb be in another team that doesn't design to his talents? But Red Bull allow Newey his head. He designs a car and Vettel can exploit its advantages, and so two pinnacles of excellence meet. Without the 'tricks' , Mark was as fast as Seb, but Red Bull continued with the tricks because it gave them an advantage over everyone else.
It begs the question, where would Mclaren be now if Lowe had been allowed to continue developing a car tailored to exploit the advantages of its fastest driver? But he wasn't, I wonder if that's why he followed Lewis to Mercedes? To get another chance to do so? If we see that happen now it will be Mercedes that are the benefactors.
#371822
It does raise the question of where would Vettel be if the team did not follow his requirement for setup.

The question that should be raised, is if the team designs it to Vettel, or Vettel adapted to the fastest design Red Bull could design. It's not like Vettel was nowhere to be found until this 'trick' happened in 2011. He has been beating Webber on pace since their first race in 2009, with or without the 'rear trick'.
#371827
Yes.

It's no disrespect to Seb that he was/is able to exploit Newey's car to the full. Just the opposite in fact. He can do it, Webber can't . Could Alonso? Could Hamilton? Possibly, probably. That's why those three are the best. But the fact remains when the rear downforce was not sufficient for 'the trick' to be employed, Webber was as fast. So the next question has to be ...how would Seb be without a genius car designer developing the car around his talents.
#371830
Just as good as Webber?

But more consistent, more focused. Would have less 'off' days and would generally be more effective. However speed wise I think the facts speak for themselves. He would ofcourse also need to make sure his clutch worked all the time.

Its a bit like Lewis and Nico, on a given day Nico can extract from the car almost as much as Lewis. However on non given days Lewis will extract at the same level where Nico would not be as effective.

These are all fast driver given the day. The best are those who can extract maximum from any car, good or bad, from any tyres, dealing with turbo lag, dealing with non planted rears caused by sudden removal of a blow diffuser etc etc

Here Lewis and Alonso have proven time and again that they will adapt quickly. Seb so far hasnt really had that chance, because Newey has built a car and adapted it when needed. Just like the period when Seb lost the blown diffuser and was matched by Webber till Newey replaced the rear downforce attributes of the blown diffuser.

Never mind, I have a feeling Seb will have lots of chances next year to show that he can adapt to new 'tricks' like Lewis and Alonso have. He is damn quick once adapted tho
#371834
It's an interesting read. Toro Rosso did used to comment that Vettel was very good mechanically and would often stick around long after the other drivers had gone home. I don't think Toro Rosso would've had Adrian Newey around in the garage in 2008, as he would've surely been focusing on the Red Bull, but the Toro Rosso did improve over the season, and either seemed to be more favourable towards Vettel, or Vettel was getting more favourable results. Vettel was also often the fastest on Fridays in the BMW Sauber.

So I think Vettel's edge comes from his technical feedback and his consistency. So I think the best mechanically minded driver on the grid and the best designer are making for an unbeatable force in F1, but Vettel is able to contribute to a car's development away from Milton Keynes, so could win races without Newey, but I doubt he would be able to win as many races.....

I'd still rate Alonso and Vettel as better drivers over a full-race distance, but Hamilton is certainly a faster driver over the space of a lap, and when it comes to chasing down drivers and overtaking, but I think his aggression has a tendency to affect his overall race performance.

Vettel's flaws mainly come from his struggles at keeping his emotions in check during the race, which affected him in 2010 with all his crashes and some decisions he has made since then... But other than that, I can't really find a flaw in his driving style.

Alonso in my opinion is the ultimate race driver. Hardly has any flaws, except perhaps with some minor inconsistencies in qualifying. Is very good at capitalizing on chances presented to him, and almost always extracts the maximum on race day.... Watching back Alonso's victories you will usually see him perform 4 or 5 crucial overtakes to get the win, usually coupled with extracting the maximum from a Safety Car situation or benefiting from attrition.
#371835
The period between the 'trick' not working due to blown diffuser ban, and another similar 'trick' was also the period when Webber matched Seb on performance

just saying

Sure. That's why Vettel got the better of Webber in performance in 16 out of 19 races last year.

Yes.

It's no disrespect to Seb that he was/is able to exploit Newey's car to the full. Just the opposite in fact. He can do it, Webber can't . Could Alonso? Could Hamilton? Possibly, probably. That's why those three are the best. But the fact remains when the rear downforce was not sufficient for 'the trick' to be employed, Webber was as fast. So the next question has to be ...how would Seb be without a genius car designer developing the car around his talents.

Topping the time sheets as a test driver. Driving third in the rain in Fiji. 17th to 4th in China. Whole 2008. Fighting for the WDC in 2009. Winning the WDC in 2010 before this trick that you make out to be as the only thing that makes him stand out.

I don't understand this apparent need to selectively remember things to make things out to be what they aren't. :thumbdown:
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#371836
I'd still rate Alonso and Vettel as better drivers over a full-race distance, but Hamilton is certainly a faster driver over the space of a lap, and when it comes to chasing down drivers and overtaking, but I think his aggression has a tendency to affect his overall race performance.


Do you have a recent example of this? Say the last couple of years? Is it similar to Seb crashing into Button when frustrated. Or is it better to be overcautious like Alonso in the last race of 2011 when he surrendered the title whilst making not a single attempt to pass Petrov?
#371837
The period between the 'trick' not working due to blown diffuser ban, and another similar 'trick' was also the period when Webber matched Seb on performance

just saying

Sure. That's why Vettel got the better of Webber in performance in 16 out of 19 races last year.


Ok so for 3 races Seb was unable to beat Webber and you are suggesting that was the period Seb had his 'trick' taken away?

Interesting
#371838
I'd still rate Alonso and Vettel as better drivers over a full-race distance, but Hamilton is certainly a faster driver over the space of a lap, and when it comes to chasing down drivers and overtaking, but I think his aggression has a tendency to affect his overall race performance.


Do you have a recent example of this? Say the last couple of years? Is it similar to Seb crashing into Button when frustrated. Or is it better to be overcautious like Alonso in the last race of 2011 when he surrendered the title whilst making not a single attempt to pass Petrov?


Well that's it to a T really. Some drivers like to take risks, while others just cruise and collect but take any advantage that comes to them. Hamilton's 2011 season was an example of this. Button came out trumps over him because he was much better at putting together a whole race....

I've already mentioned Seb's 2010 season.

But I feel that Hamilton's driving style and overzealous approach at minimising the gap to the car in front translates to increased tire wear. This means a decreased level of flexibility when it comes to adapting to the changing race situation. I thought that this was also evident at times in the 2012 season.

The 2013 season, though. Hamilton has just been largely undone by his car... But Rosberg does have 1 more win than Hamilton this year... Even though Hamilton is quicker (and ultimately leading Rosberg in the championship through consistency), Rosberg can string together a race more effectively than Hamilton, in a similar fashion to Button.

Rosberg has also been exceptionally unlucky at times this season....

Note that I have stated that this opinion and not fact, so I don't necessarily have to back it up with stats. But if I wasn't drowsy from a sleeping pill as I am now, I would be happy to dig up a couple of examples.
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