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[Jabberwocky]

There is a difference between not knowing or been taught what you need to do. It was the total lack of for need of a better word imagination to think his way out of problems.

I am sure if you walked up to your computer tomorrow morning and tried to switch it on and nothing happened. You would not sit there for 20 minutes hitting the power button.

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[zurich_allan]

I remember a few years ago having to teach a B.sc how to solder... what a nightmare, the guy had no common sence or an idea of how to fix problems. I.e. solder not melting in iron... he would just stand there confused and not think "oh is it switched on or has someone turned the iron down"

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It's funny you say that. I've literally just finished leading a year long project (submitted my final 4,000 word report today!), funded by the Higher Education Academy, on the subject of many university degrees being too academic with not enough focus on practical skills that allow the academic theory to be linked to how things actually work in reality. I've long since argued that, having presented at three different educational conferences in as many years on the subject. The problem actually stems from central government, who only fund university undergraduate courses based on academic content (through a complex series of benchmarks). If there was more flexibility in Higher Education funding, then it would be easier for the institutions to be more flexible in terms of course content.

In any case, my recommendations for what they are worth are that the evidence I have gathered over the past year is conclusive in many ways in favour of a greater degree of practical content. Still, I don't see things changing in the short term sadly....

[LRW]

There is a difference between not knowing or been taught what you need to do. It was the total lack of for need of a better word imagination to think his way out of problems.

I am sure if you walked up to your computer tomorrow morning and tried to switch it on and nothing happened. You would not sit there for 20 minutes hitting the power button.

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Ha ha ha. That reminds me of a story about one of our clients..... gods honest truth....

She phones up one morning saying "we had a power cut in our building last night and now I can't get the pc to show anything "
Us: " Have you tried turning it back on?"
Her " How do I do that?"
Us: " Press the power button"
Her " Where is it? What does it look like?"
Us: "Erm. It's more than likely on the front. And round "
Her: "ok, let me look - oooh yes. Let me press it. Ooh ooh. A lights come on, and it's making some noises. I think that may have worked. Thanks. "

At one point she wanted a callout for an engineer at a minimum 4hr charge of £200. To press a power button.

I think her name was RC.

[What's Burning?]

it's called "book smart" for a reason. It's similar to the way that you can now get an MCSE degree in some high school classes and certainly through a two year program, but have no clue how to actually handle an IT environment in the real world let alone any corporate entity let you near a network server of any importance. Twenty years ago the degree meant something, it meant that you'd been in the trenches long enough to be dedicated enough to go through the grueling program to get a certification. Now it's showing up to class for two years and doing exactly what the instructor tells you to do.

I think deep in our recesses there is a "troubleshooting" gene that you either have enabled or you don't.

[Jabberwocky]

On a similar subject. I was once told that a bit of equipment was "Designed by designers and not engineers" in other words it was a pig to work on because of how it was designed (things like bolts hidden beneath other things etc)

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[Jabberwocky]

I think deep in our recesses there is a "troubleshooting" gene that you either have enabled or you don't.

Lol.

Is that like their is 10 types of people, those that understand binary...

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[geetface9]

There is a difference between not knowing or been taught what you need to do. It was the total lack of for need of a better word imagination to think his way out of problems.

I am sure if you walked up to your computer tomorrow morning and tried to switch it on and nothing happened. You would not sit there for 20 minutes hitting the power button.

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Great point!

[What's Burning?]

1) What level of education do you have? I have a BA from an art school, majored in advertising. a regular Don Draper I am. Lots and lot and lots of technical certifications, from manufacturers, component repair for RF equipment and various IT certs from software and hardware vendors like Microsoft, RIM, Cisco, AT&T etc, over the last 25 or so years.

2) What is your current occupation? And what education/certificates/experience/etc. is necessary to hold such a position? My current occupation is temporary within an organization that I've worked for going on 19 years now. I lead an "elite" team of technical support administrators and consultants. To do this, what was necessary 25 years ago was really nothing other than having worked your way up through the trenches. Today no one will look at you unless you hold certificates from Cisco, Microsoft, or equivalent and you have a Bachelor's degree preferably in information technology.

3) What do you like and dislike about your current occupation? That I've been doing the same type of role for almost 14 years and it's no longer a challenge and I've reached the limits of the peer compared pay scale.

4) What are some of the day to day duties of your job? And what do you find difficult or easy about it? make sure that the team gets the things that they need to get done, competed an with a better than expected type of result. Making sure that nothing blows up, so that means staying on top of things and getting ahead of the curve on potential issues and that we are able to at least foresee and react to those potential issues before they become an impact to the customer.

5) What is the entry level or average salary of someone in your position? Entry level salaries for these types of roles are 75 to 85k annually with bonuses, but time and experience and other factors can increase that by 40 to 75% after many years on the job.

6) How long have you held that position? this position has been an evolution of other roles I've held withing the organization but roughly 14 years.

7) Are you trying to attain more education, another job, a new venture Yes, I'm currently working on moving to a technical sales type of role but I'd love to own a restaurant.

8 ) Anything else you'd like to add? YES, I think as a society we now undervalue the role of an apprenticeship, and we put entirely too much emphasis on collegiate level jobs. I know plumbers and electricians that have their own business that make more money than me, more money than a fair bit of doctors even and they don't have nearly the same pressure or headaches! We're losing craftsmanship, woodworkers, stone worker, artisans, people that actually MAKE things, because we've been sold the bill of goods that college and a corporate 9 to 5 job is the dream it's been made out to be. It's not folks, get out there and look for something that makes you HAPPY when you do it, and then figure out a way to make that your job!

[Jabberwocky]

Do you not think that red tape is also destroying some of the opertunities that the older generation did not have. I know that say 15 years ago someone could come to me and say "how much to fix this toaster" sovyou would look at it and a bit was broken. In your head you would think .05 for the part. Plus x labour.

Now you would have to check that the item you put in is ROSB compliant . Then you would have to PAT test it. and carry out post repair check ups. Then if it is beyond economic repair you have to follow WEEE procedures to dispose of it.

Or the customer can put it straight in the bin and buy a new one in tesco for a fiver.

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[What's Burning?]

Absolutely we're living in an age of disposable electronics. I used to repair cell phones and charge people 800 to 1500 bucks to fix them because when they spent 10k for a cell phone it was a no brainer. I remember taking apart a transceiver that had 8 to 10 various boards in it, and having to troubleshoot them and then tune it back into specs and now a cell phone is one board with the only item being one CPU that does all of the work, a transmitter/receiver some ram all of which takes up 10% of the phone with the rest of the device being a screen and a battery so there is NOTHING to troubleshoot.

The only things that are repaired right now are military and medical equipment where there is still a high cost of replacement and therefore repairing is logical for the customer and profitable for a repair shop.

[1Lemon]

YES, I think as a society we now undervalue the role of an apprenticeship, and we put entirely too much emphasis on collegiate level jobs. I know plumbers and electricians that have their own business that make more money than me, more money than a fair bit of doctors even and they don't have nearly the same pressure or headaches! We're losing craftsmanship, woodworkers, stone worker, artisans, people that actually MAKE things, because we've been sold the bill of goods that college and a corporate 9 to 5 job is the dream it's been made out to be. It's not folks, get out there and look for something that makes you HAPPY when you do it, and then figure out a way to make that your job!

I agree, I just finished my IT apprenticeship and was kept on full time, I don't have a degree but speaking to friends who are starting their final year on a similar software course at uni they seem woefully underprepared for what the actual IT work environment is actually like.

[geetface9]

I agree with all that completely. Like I mentioned before, idk how to do anything with my hands. But I can write reports and pass tests like a MF

I kinda wanna start my own adult film company but I don't have the resources and know-how. I don't wanna be an actor, I just wanna make and sell great pr0nz and reap the $$$$$$$$$

[Jabberwocky]

Hire a video camera, a hotel room, a whore, and a giglo. Copy the dvd and sell it on

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[Jabberwocky]

Saying that I would imagine that with the internet and free *censored* it is not the money spinner it once was

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[LRW]

I agree with all that completely. Like I mentioned before, idk how to do anything with my hands. But I can write reports and pass tests like a MF

I kinda wanna start my own adult film company but I don't have the resources and know-how. I don't wanna be an actor, I just wanna make and sell great pr0nz and reap the $$$$$$$$$

Im in!!

We could target the niche markets. Say for instance, we could go for people who like p0rn containing a chubby, bearded, hairy man, with a below average sized penis. Ive always wanted to be a film star.

We'd be loaded!!