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#371093
With the most respect Mr S Pollack (a disrespectful username to Poles, not remotely justified by the user claiming to be Polish, if that is the case. Not everyone will find the humour or irony, if any in confrontation with a potentially hurtful and loaded expression), I think that argument is complete rubbish and is the side put out by the oil companies and their lobbyists.

The issue is not that fossil fuels are running out per se (although ofcourse there is a finite supply), Its more that the remaining quantity continues to be found in harder and harder places to get to with costly consequences. And dont kid yourself that technology is catching up with the ease of access, it is not. Which is why we have more and more spills and disasters as we are more offshore and much deeper etc etc than ever

This Greenpeace protest about the Arctic is typical. Who in their right mind would want to go after oil in an area of important environmental balance, that is already under serious threat from other man-greed made factors. The melting and receding of the ice caps is real enough. And we trust Shells 'latest' technology to explore and extract from areas already under threat, without adding to the problem? Come on give us a break

The oil companies are more interested in returning value and maintaining profits for shareholders, unfortunately, doing so means constant new fields, which means ultimately going into areas that are not as good as others. If they mess up they pay fines, but the environment suffers. Thats the way it works. If Greenpeace or anyone else do not point these things out, then the man on the street like Andrew will never know about it because of the expensive lobbying of the oil companies to push their own pov - which is not motivated by not harming the environment, but by extracting profits whilst trying not to harm the environment, and if they do, well, they pay a fine and move on.


I will address two separate things in this post. Firstly, my username. Yes, I am 100% Polish. Born in Gdansk, and moved to America in my teenage years. If you are looking for meaning regarding the connection with Soulless and Polack, frankly, there is none. I'll explain why. I used to use a username HarmlessPolack on XBox Live. That name came about because, honestly, I was bad at games such as Call of Duty. Hence, Harmless. I forgot my password, and created a new one called Soulless rather than harmless. Not too much reasoning behind it, but something that has stuck and I have used as a username across various media. Now, let me talk about the word Polack. Yes, I understand that to some people, it is a derogatory word and can be offensive. But my belief has always been that people are too sensitive. Yes, I understand that these words often times carry a meaning from a dark history of a race, ethnicity, or culture. However, in the end, the word is what it is: a word. What emotions it elicits in someone is controlled by nothing more than the person's mind. They choose to let that word have a power over them. To me, to many in my family, and to a lot of my friends, we do not let a word have such power over us that it causes us anger, hate, sadness, or despair. However, I also know that, unfortunately, the same does not hold true for others. This is why I have never, nor will I ever, call another Pole a Polack. The same holds true for any other race or ethnicity. I would never use the derogatory term for their race or ethnicity as a way to call or signal them. However, if I was an African American or a Jew, I would have no problem making a user name SoullessNigger or SoullessKike. Why? Because I want to show people that you don't have to let petty things like words have power over you. Save your energy for more important things in life. Now I understand that people may not know my intention if they do not ask or make a comment. However, many people have, and I always offer up the same explanation, and many times, they understand where I'm coming from or the reasons behind it. People can call me a Pole, Polack, moron, douche, whatever, but it doesn't bother me, I am proud of my heritage and proud to be where I am today as well. I apologize for the long explanation, but if I can help even one person realize that there's nothing more in a name than our own minds attach to it, then I feel I did my job.

Secondly, I must also apologize for the delay in responding. I am not able to come onto this website throughout the day or even every day like some members. I lead a busy life both working and going to school. I hope that my response is not too late and does not alter the course of the conversation. I completely agree with you that technology is not catching up to ease of access. I don't believe it ever will. It will continue to get worse as time goes on, as we deplete the "easier" points of access to oil. I was simply stating that technology has made it a cleaner exercise now than it used to be (I'm not regarding the other variable of access here). I'm not talking about only 3 years of time, but decades rather. My position is very similar to yours, however, what I was doing was simply trying to help Andrew explain his point of view better. Perhaps it was a difficult thing to do since my opinion mirrors yours rather than Andrew's.

Onto the race, finally. I know some people are happy because of Perez's penalty. But does anyone think it was excessive or uncalled for? To me, that was just racing. He had the speed to overtake and was then moving onto a better line. I wouldn't penalize Grojean, but as a racer, I think if he was being outraced then a better move would be to back off so he doesn't run into the grass. I think it would have been different, and the penalty warranted, if they had been neck and neck and then Perez decided to drift into Grojean. But he was going faster than Grojean, and I thought the move was fair. I think these rules nowadays put the focus in the wrong spot. The faster driver should not be penalized. The slower driver should be able to use his skills to react. In this case, it would have been great to see Grojean counter by taking an early-braking approach and a different line into the corner, then undercutting him and repassing him on corner exit.
#371107
Sorry but 2014 - 2017 is booked for Mercedes and Lewis/Nico to paint silver all over it. :D


I've earmarked it for a Williams walk over with Bottas; only time will tell I suppose :wink:


Williams V McLaren? YES PLEASE! :D:hehe:


Willaims V McLaren V Merc for an epic final? Who wouldn't want that (Tifosi)


:rofl::whip::whip::whip:
#371110
With the most respect Mr S Pollack (a disrespectful username to Poles, not remotely justified by the user claiming to be Polish, if that is the case. Not everyone will find the humour or irony, if any in confrontation with a potentially hurtful and loaded expression), I think that argument is complete rubbish and is the side put out by the oil companies and their lobbyists.

The issue is not that fossil fuels are running out per se (although ofcourse there is a finite supply), Its more that the remaining quantity continues to be found in harder and harder places to get to with costly consequences. And dont kid yourself that technology is catching up with the ease of access, it is not. Which is why we have more and more spills and disasters as we are more offshore and much deeper etc etc than ever

This Greenpeace protest about the Arctic is typical. Who in their right mind would want to go after oil in an area of important environmental balance, that is already under serious threat from other man-greed made factors. The melting and receding of the ice caps is real enough. And we trust Shells 'latest' technology to explore and extract from areas already under threat, without adding to the problem? Come on give us a break

The oil companies are more interested in returning value and maintaining profits for shareholders, unfortunately, doing so means constant new fields, which means ultimately going into areas that are not as good as others. If they mess up they pay fines, but the environment suffers. Thats the way it works. If Greenpeace or anyone else do not point these things out, then the man on the street like Andrew will never know about it because of the expensive lobbying of the oil companies to push their own pov - which is not motivated by not harming the environment, but by extracting profits whilst trying not to harm the environment, and if they do, well, they pay a fine and move on.


I will address two separate things in this post. Firstly, my username. Yes, I am 100% Polish. Born in Gdansk, and moved to America in my teenage years. If you are looking for meaning regarding the connection with Soulless and Polack, frankly, there is none. I'll explain why. I used to use a username HarmlessPolack on XBox Live. That name came about because, honestly, I was bad at games such as Call of Duty. Hence, Harmless. I forgot my password, and created a new one called Soulless rather than harmless. Not too much reasoning behind it, but something that has stuck and I have used as a username across various media. Now, let me talk about the word Polack. Yes, I understand that to some people, it is a derogatory word and can be offensive. But my belief has always been that people are too sensitive. Yes, I understand that these words often times carry a meaning from a dark history of a race, ethnicity, or culture. However, in the end, the word is what it is: a word. What emotions it elicits in someone is controlled by nothing more than the person's mind. They choose to let that word have a power over them. To me, to many in my family, and to a lot of my friends, we do not let a word have such power over us that it causes us anger, hate, sadness, or despair. However, I also know that, unfortunately, the same does not hold true for others. This is why I have never, nor will I ever, call another Pole a Polack. The same holds true for any other race or ethnicity. I would never use the derogatory term for their race or ethnicity as a way to call or signal them. However, if I was an African American or a Jew, I would have no problem making a user name SoullessNigger or SoullessKike. Why? Because I want to show people that you don't have to let petty things like words have power over you. Save your energy for more important things in life. Now I understand that people may not know my intention if they do not ask or make a comment. However, many people have, and I always offer up the same explanation, and many times, they understand where I'm coming from or the reasons behind it. People can call me a Pole, Polack, moron, douche, whatever, but it doesn't bother me, I am proud of my heritage and proud to be where I am today as well. I apologize for the long explanation, but if I can help even one person realize that there's nothing more in a name than our own minds attach to it, then I feel I did my job.

Secondly, I must also apologize for the delay in responding. I am not able to come onto this website throughout the day or even every day like some members. I lead a busy life both working and going to school. I hope that my response is not too late and does not alter the course of the conversation. I completely agree with you that technology is not catching up to ease of access. I don't believe it ever will. It will continue to get worse as time goes on, as we deplete the "easier" points of access to oil. I was simply stating that technology has made it a cleaner exercise now than it used to be (I'm not regarding the other variable of access here). I'm not talking about only 3 years of time, but decades rather. My position is very similar to yours, however, what I was doing was simply trying to help Andrew explain his point of view better. Perhaps it was a difficult thing to do since my opinion mirrors yours rather than Andrew's.

Onto the race, finally. I know some people are happy because of Perez's penalty. But does anyone think it was excessive or uncalled for? To me, that was just racing. He had the speed to overtake and was then moving onto a better line. I wouldn't penalize Grojean, but as a racer, I think if he was being outraced then a better move would be to back off so he doesn't run into the grass. I think it would have been different, and the penalty warranted, if they had been neck and neck and then Perez decided to drift into Grojean. But he was going faster than Grojean, and I thought the move was fair. I think these rules nowadays put the focus in the wrong spot. The faster driver should not be penalized. The slower driver should be able to use his skills to react. In this case, it would have been great to see Grojean counter by taking an early-braking approach and a different line into the corner, then undercutting him and repassing him on corner exit.


Wow!! And you say you're still at school! :thud:
What a well reasoned, well explained and non aggressive post!! Some of us more mature ( but only a tiny bit :P ) posters, would do well to take a leaf from your book!

On your first point.....your name, I share your distaste for over political correctness, and applaud your thoughtfulness to the sensitivity, feelings and views of others. The whole thing reminds me somewhat of the over reaction to Lewis Hamilton's throw away comment ..'is it because Im black HA HA HA! That's what Ali G would say'. Then Whoo!!! The poo from the politically correct descended! If anyone had the right to make the comment, it was he!


On your second point.....well I don't want to get into that too deeply on here. I think we're fed a lot of rubbish , and there are a lot of people out to look after themselves. Bottom line....there are too many human beings for this planet........and we aren't dealing with it well.


On your last point...Perez, totally agree. He was racing and he was unfairly punished. :thumbdown: bad show!!
#371115
I must say that post was an enjoyable read. Not much related to Spa, but still very much worth it. :)
#371121
I must say that post was an enjoyable read. Not much related to Spa, but still very much worth it. :)


Yeah, every now and then RC has an ok post :D


:rofl::rofl::rofl:
#371126
Note to self... stay away from the forum while drunk.

Anyway what a boring race. The best part for me was after the race heck out these cheeky chappies. Nicking the distance markers

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#371146

I will address two separate things in this post. Firstly, my username. Yes, I am 100% Polish. Born in Gdansk, and moved to America in my teenage years. If you are looking for meaning regarding the connection with Soulless and Polack, frankly, there is none. I'll explain why. I used to use a username HarmlessPolack on XBox Live. That name came about because, honestly, I was bad at games such as Call of Duty. Hence, Harmless. I forgot my password, and created a new one called Soulless rather than harmless. Not too much reasoning behind it, but something that has stuck and I have used as a username across various media. Now, let me talk about the word Polack. Yes, I understand that to some people, it is a derogatory word and can be offensive. But my belief has always been that people are too sensitive. Yes, I understand that these words often times carry a meaning from a dark history of a race, ethnicity, or culture. However, in the end, the word is what it is: a word. What emotions it elicits in someone is controlled by nothing more than the person's mind. They choose to let that word have a power over them. To me, to many in my family, and to a lot of my friends, we do not let a word have such power over us that it causes us anger, hate, sadness, or despair. However, I also know that, unfortunately, the same does not hold true for others. This is why I have never, nor will I ever, call another Pole a Polack. The same holds true for any other race or ethnicity. I would never use the derogatory term for their race or ethnicity as a way to call or signal them. However, if I was an African American or a Jew, I would have no problem making a user name SoullessNigger or SoullessKike. Why? Because I want to show people that you don't have to let petty things like words have power over you. Save your energy for more important things in life. Now I understand that people may not know my intention if they do not ask or make a comment. However, many people have, and I always offer up the same explanation, and many times, they understand where I'm coming from or the reasons behind it. People can call me a Pole, Polack, moron, douche, whatever, but it doesn't bother me, I am proud of my heritage and proud to be where I am today as well. I apologize for the long explanation, but if I can help even one person realize that there's nothing more in a name than our own minds attach to it, then I feel I did my job.

Secondly, I must also apologize for the delay in responding. I am not able to come onto this website throughout the day or even every day like some members. I lead a busy life both working and going to school. I hope that my response is not too late and does not alter the course of the conversation. I completely agree with you that technology is not catching up to ease of access. I don't believe it ever will. It will continue to get worse as time goes on, as we deplete the "easier" points of access to oil. I was simply stating that technology has made it a cleaner exercise now than it used to be (I'm not regarding the other variable of access here). I'm not talking about only 3 years of time, but decades rather. My position is very similar to yours, however, what I was doing was simply trying to help Andrew explain his point of view better. Perhaps it was a difficult thing to do since my opinion mirrors yours rather than Andrew's.

Onto the race, finally. I know some people are happy because of Perez's penalty. But does anyone think it was excessive or uncalled for? To me, that was just racing. He had the speed to overtake and was then moving onto a better line. I wouldn't penalize Grojean, but as a racer, I think if he was being outraced then a better move would be to back off so he doesn't run into the grass. I think it would have been different, and the penalty warranted, if they had been neck and neck and then Perez decided to drift into Grojean. But he was going faster than Grojean, and I thought the move was fair. I think these rules nowadays put the focus in the wrong spot. The faster driver should not be penalized. The slower driver should be able to use his skills to react. In this case, it would have been great to see Grojean counter by taking an early-braking approach and a different line into the corner, then undercutting him and repassing him on corner exit.


Thanks for the well thought out, reasoned and polite reply. Its great when people actually take the time to express and communicate their views. It is also very brave and is of infinitely more use than 1 line throwdowns aimed at scoring cheap points and diverting the line of the discussion

Also I suspect by school you mean college, otherwise you are one switched on kid.

Your first point. I do not agree at all with the effects although I respect your stand. The problem for me is that we live in a flawed world and people are flawed mainly. Therefore they do get hurt maybe when they shouldnt and doing things that cause less hurt is a winning strategy over time.
I would not use the c word in front of women, yes its just a word and people should not be so sensitive, however some will be upset as its a loaded word with historical connotations. It doesnt cost me anything to not swear or use 'shock' words or to suppress my belief that using these words will help make them less powerful. That would be self indulgent and presumtious on my part as the potential is there for someone to be hurt, and like I said there is no cost to me if I just dont use loaded words even as a 1 man protest against the PC culture.

Second point, I commend you for trying to help those less able. I am sometimes accused of an over eagerness to jump to the defence of others, and sometimes its not so much about the others needing or even wanting defence but more about me eager for a scrap. Having said that Andrew didnt have an opinion that wasnt coming across because of a communication issue. He didnt have an opinion beyond 'the protest was wrong' and the contradictions and lack of coherence was because he had no idea why they were wrong, only that they were. Are they wrong because they protest?, are they wrong because the protest at the wrong place, or the wrong time. Or is it what they are protesting? Then to pull the hypocrite card by insinuating that they also damage the environment with their ships was the trigger to deconstruct his post. and finally to then launch an attack on someone (WB) who was gently criticising the post confirms that this was not a valid position but more a partisan reaction towards the concept of Greenpeace/protesters

When I was at university, one learnt by submitting original views for criticism from ones tutors, and in time becoming more coherent. And a having touch of dyxlesia didnt help :rofl:

As far as the Perez punishment, its clear that benefit of doubt or the particular context of a technical transgression is only applied when the stewards have already decided a particular driver 'is ok' whereas those who are marked down as 'needing a firmer hand' get penalised. And I suspect its along the time honoured European/other nations line that frustrated Senna for a while and ofcourse Hamilton who is probably considered Grenadain by certain muppets.
#371175
So, bitter as it may be, you also have to admit that, say Lewis' pitstop had run into a problem, and it took an extra 3 seconds and hence Lewis was behind Nico for the last few laps, then we would have seen the places swapped


Perhaps. I'm not sure


You said Nico was a smart team player. You also must agree that Brawn knows how to win things. 3 points extra for Lewis or 3 points extra for Nico towards the aim of winning a WDC? What do you think Nico and Brawn would prefer

Come on, you can do it, as painful as it will be, take a deep breath and repeat after me, 'It would be pointless and look amateurish not to swap places had this scenario unfolded at the last race'

You know you want to, just do it man! :hehe:


:banghead::banghead::banghead: but dad, it hurts!! :rofl:
#371176

I will address two separate things in this post. Firstly, my username. Yes, I am 100% Polish. Born in Gdansk, and moved to America in my teenage years. If you are looking for meaning regarding the connection with Soulless and Polack, frankly, there is none. I'll explain why. I used to use a username HarmlessPolack on XBox Live. That name came about because, honestly, I was bad at games such as Call of Duty. Hence, Harmless. I forgot my password, and created a new one called Soulless rather than harmless. Not too much reasoning behind it, but something that has stuck and I have used as a username across various media. Now, let me talk about the word Polack. Yes, I understand that to some people, it is a derogatory word and can be offensive. But my belief has always been that people are too sensitive. Yes, I understand that these words often times carry a meaning from a dark history of a race, ethnicity, or culture. However, in the end, the word is what it is: a word. What emotions it elicits in someone is controlled by nothing more than the person's mind. They choose to let that word have a power over them. To me, to many in my family, and to a lot of my friends, we do not let a word have such power over us that it causes us anger, hate, sadness, or despair. However, I also know that, unfortunately, the same does not hold true for others. This is why I have never, nor will I ever, call another Pole a Polack. The same holds true for any other race or ethnicity. I would never use the derogatory term for their race or ethnicity as a way to call or signal them. However, if I was an African American or a Jew, I would have no problem making a user name SoullessNigger or SoullessKike. Why? Because I want to show people that you don't have to let petty things like words have power over you. Save your energy for more important things in life. Now I understand that people may not know my intention if they do not ask or make a comment. However, many people have, and I always offer up the same explanation, and many times, they understand where I'm coming from or the reasons behind it. People can call me a Pole, Polack, moron, douche, whatever, but it doesn't bother me, I am proud of my heritage and proud to be where I am today as well. I apologize for the long explanation, but if I can help even one person realize that there's nothing more in a name than our own minds attach to it, then I feel I did my job.

Secondly, I must also apologize for the delay in responding. I am not able to come onto this website throughout the day or even every day like some members. I lead a busy life both working and going to school. I hope that my response is not too late and does not alter the course of the conversation. I completely agree with you that technology is not catching up to ease of access. I don't believe it ever will. It will continue to get worse as time goes on, as we deplete the "easier" points of access to oil. I was simply stating that technology has made it a cleaner exercise now than it used to be (I'm not regarding the other variable of access here). I'm not talking about only 3 years of time, but decades rather. My position is very similar to yours, however, what I was doing was simply trying to help Andrew explain his point of view better. Perhaps it was a difficult thing to do since my opinion mirrors yours rather than Andrew's.

Onto the race, finally. I know some people are happy because of Perez's penalty. But does anyone think it was excessive or uncalled for? To me, that was just racing. He had the speed to overtake and was then moving onto a better line. I wouldn't penalize Grojean, but as a racer, I think if he was being outraced then a better move would be to back off so he doesn't run into the grass. I think it would have been different, and the penalty warranted, if they had been neck and neck and then Perez decided to drift into Grojean. But he was going faster than Grojean, and I thought the move was fair. I think these rules nowadays put the focus in the wrong spot. The faster driver should not be penalized. The slower driver should be able to use his skills to react. In this case, it would have been great to see Grojean counter by taking an early-braking approach and a different line into the corner, then undercutting him and repassing him on corner exit.


Thanks for the well thought out, reasoned and polite reply. Its great when people actually take the time to express and communicate their views. It is also very brave and is of infinitely more use than 1 line throwdowns aimed at scoring cheap points and diverting the line of the discussion

Also I suspect by school you mean college, otherwise you are one switched on kid.

Your first point. I do not agree at all with the effects although I respect your stand. The problem for me is that we live in a flawed world and people are flawed mainly. Therefore they do get hurt maybe when they shouldnt and doing things that cause less hurt is a winning strategy over time.
I would not use the c word in front of women, yes its just a word and people should not be so sensitive, however some will be upset as its a loaded word with historical connotations. It doesnt cost me anything to not swear or use 'shock' words or to suppress my belief that using these words will help make them less powerful. That would be self indulgent and presumtious on my part as the potential is there for someone to be hurt, and like I said there is no cost to me if I just dont use loaded words even as a 1 man protest against the PC culture.

Second point, I commend you for trying to help those less able. I am sometimes accused of an over eagerness to jump to the defence of others, and sometimes its not so much about the others needing or even wanting defence but more about me eager for a scrap. Having said that Andrew didnt have an opinion that wasnt coming across because of a communication issue. He didnt have an opinion beyond 'the protest was wrong' and the contradictions and lack of coherence was because he had no idea why they were wrong, only that they were. Are they wrong because they protest?, are they wrong because the protest at the wrong place, or the wrong time. Or is it what they are protesting? Then to pull the hypocrite card by insinuating that they also damage the environment with their ships was the trigger to deconstruct his post. and finally to then launch an attack on someone (WB) who was gently criticising the post confirms that this was not a valid position but more a partisan reaction towards the concept of Greenpeace/protesters

When I was at university, one learnt by submitting original views for criticism from ones tutors, and in time becoming more coherent. And a having touch of dyxlesia didnt help :rofl:

As far as the Perez punishment, its clear that benefit of doubt or the particular context of a technical transgression is only applied when the stewards have already decided a particular driver 'is ok' whereas those who are marked down as 'needing a firmer hand' get penalised. And I suspect its along the time honoured European/other nations line that frustrated Senna for a while and ofcourse Hamilton who is probably considered Grenadain by certain muppets.


tl;dr :P
#371203
Drs, grovsneakes back in frontcof ham

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Speaking with a foreign accent are you? :wavey:

Don't drink and post is the moral of the story

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