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[What's Burning?]

Like I said, it was harsh on Perez, racing IMO, but if you're going to punish Perez, then WTF ignore an even worse offense of the same thing by VER & HUL?

[spankyham]

Like I said, it was harsh on Perez, racing IMO, but if you're going to punish Perez, then WTF ignore an even worse offense of the same thing by VER & HUL?

They have managed to sanitize nearly all genuine racing out of f1 while increasing their inconsistency in application.

I've posted it a few times, but just YouTube French 79 gp and watch Gilles and Rene give an example of what racing actually is.


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[geetface9]

Old school processional race. Podium position and WDC table reflects the car differential. Good races from all 3. Webber should be given at least one race before the end where his car works properly, maybe after Seb has wrapped up the title. Mclaren do not have such a bad car, its podium capable in right hands.

Looks like we can drop that whole bit about rosberg playing #2 for another few races, eh cookinflat?

ermm, how do you know he isnt already. At the first corner when Nico was on the inside, he backed off and lost out to avoid forcing Lewis tocover and therefore lose to Seb on the outside. Also toward the end he backed off and did not attempt to gearbox Lewis. Thats not the same behaviour from Nico earlier in the season

I'm sure by not pulling a 2012 grosjean or risking his tires or a collision with his teammate so late into the race, i.e. being a smart driver, was just to avoid insulting the delicate sensitivities of the lewis loonies and to help sooth their egos into believing he's a #2 driver. I'm sure that's it!

[geetface9]

I was fairly livid about the punishment given to perez. I'd at least call that a racing incident, if anything.

[CookinFlat6]

Conveniently ignore the reason Nico backed off in the first corner to the detriment of his race instead of attempting to take Lewis on the inside

I am not sure about the Lewis loonies, (nice insult btw) but anyone with a brain can work out the maths involved. even Eddie Jordan spelt it out clearly on Sunday. Nico was driving as a smart team player 90 points behind the WDC leader with 9 races left.

Also Nico himself said he cuould have challenged for third

[geetface9]

Conveniently ignoring that a move up the inside on lewis would have been pure madness. I just rewatched the first corner of the race to see if I could fathom what you're talking about. That's a load of bull, man. Nico locked the right front tire up a bit going into the apex. He would have caused a collision with his teammate had he gone on the inside, especially with 300 lbs. of fuel on board. Then Nico would have to face ross brawn's wrath for making a silly move. Any farfetched ideas of him being a #2 had absolutely nothing to do with that. And eddie jordan and his pink and purple shirt-wearing posse are all full of hot air, too.

I am sure about the Lewis loonies, (not trying to insult anybody, only pointing out the level of silliness going on) as anyone with a brain can work out the maths involved. Eddie Jordan spewed hot air on Sunday. Nico was driving as a smart team player in a team 2nd in the WCC with 9 races left.

[CookinFlat6]

I am not sure if you just enjoy arguing for arguments sake or you actually think through what you right but I think we might even be talking about the same thing here.

I am not saying Nico is now a contractual number 2 or is inferior or is not allowed to try win WDCs himself.

Just saying, with the way things are (near mathematically impossible for Nico) then the smart thing to do is to stay out of Lewis ' way, which he did. And not try desparetely to beat him when behind for the sake of a few points that could be very costly, which he didnt

Nico is a smart driver, not so dumb that the team would have to resort to 'not being able to fix his recurring clutch and biting point issues' to avoid him stupidly taking his team mate off the track if they were in close proximity.

[geetface9]

Fair enough. I'd also agree it's practically impossible for him to win the WDC this year. All I'm saying is that his turn 1 move was purely based on not causing a collision and nothing more. Pardon me, I was just riled up when you stated that a #2 status (contractual or not) potentially had anything to do with turn 1. I wholly agree it would have been silly for him to shoot for third and risk his tires (and his teammate), especially given the situation with blowouts both this weekend in practice and at silverstone. I still think it was purely WCC mindset, which I guess in a sense is parallel to helping Lewis towards the WDC. That's a pill I don't wanna swallow yet but I guess I might have to quite soon

[CookinFlat6]

So, bitter as it may be, you also have to admit that, say Lewis' pitstop had run into a problem, and it took an extra 3 seconds and hence Lewis was behind Nico for the last few laps, then we would have seen the places swapped

[1Lemon]

If you look at the Perez incident Grosjean does not even have both wheels over the white line, he's still technically on the track so Prerz has still given him room.

[racechick]

If you look at the Perez incident Grosjean does not even have both wheels over the white line, he's still technically on the track so Prerz has still given him room.

yep. Perez was screwed over, and Sam Michael supported the screw over. Whitmarsh did say there was a ganging up by some of the drivers on Perez...and I think he's right, but he failed to add that Sam Michael was part of the gang. Unbelievable!

[LRW]

If you look at the Perez incident Grosjean does not even have both wheels over the white line, he's still technically on the track so Prerz has still given him room.

But doesn't the regs state he has to give him "a cars width" and not just "room"?

[1Lemon]

If you look at the Perez incident Grosjean does not even have both wheels over the white line, he's still technically on the track so Prerz has still given him room.

But doesn't the regs state he has to give him "a cars width" and not just "room"?

He had enough cars width on the kerb, although off the track slightly he wasn't on any grass therefore wasn't put in a dangerous position. I think Grosjean could have easily made it round that corner but scarpered accros to make a point.

[stonemonkey]

If you look at the Perez incident Grosjean does not even have both wheels over the white line, he's still technically on the track so Prerz has still given him room.

But doesn't the regs state he has to give him "a cars width" and not just "room"?

He had enough cars width on the kerb, although off the track slightly he wasn't on any grass therefore wasn't put in a dangerous position. I think Grosjean could have easily made it round that corner but scarpered accros to make a point.

Kerbs are off the track, I'm pretty sure the cars width is to the white line.

[CookinFlat6]

Basically, overtaking around bends has just been outlawed, but with the typical consistency we have come to expect it will still be allowed unless you are a Latin American driver with a tendency to enjoy racing hard on tracks with safe run off areas