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[Hammer278]

Well if common sense is used, it is easy to conclude that manufacturers before Pirelli had constructed tyres which could last for ages and wouldn't need to pay special focus on the lower layers which protect the canvas since the tread is built to last.

But when the tread is built to wear out, wouldn't you think there would be a lot more focus on the protection of the canvas? A puncture can always happen if there is enough force on a tyre, but these days Pirelli is blowing out with just 10-20 laps run which is pathetic. The tyre isn't even close to worn out...Silverstone for example, Lewis, Massa and another guy got their puncture before they had done 15 laps because of CURBS. How do you defend that.

[1Lemon]

Well if common sense is used, it is easy to conclude that manufacturers before Pirelli had constructed tyres which could last for ages and wouldn't need to pay special focus on the lower layers which protect the canvas since the tread is built to last.

But when the tread is built to wear out, wouldn't you think there would be a lot more focus on the protection of the canvas? A puncture can always happen if there is enough force on a tyre, but these days Pirelli is blowing out with just 10-20 laps run which is pathetic. The tyre isn't even close to worn out...Silverstone for example, Lewis, Massa and another guy got their puncture before they had done 15 laps because of CURBS. How do you defend that.

I defend that by a really sharp kerb ripping into peoples tyres whilst under high load. Also it was 15 laps with the Prime tyre that wears out faster but is faster. I'm sure Pirelli did everything they can to protect the tyres, I'm sure at no point did they say "Let's make it so it wears out fast like we were asked, then make it SUPER DANGEROUS! That'll do great for sales!" I don't know the ins and outs of what goes on, not anywhere near but I feel that Pirelli are taking stick for every little thing when it's just not their fault the tyres fall away.

[Hammer278]

What do you mean by "fall away"? Lose grip or explode into smithereens?

Either way, if Pirelli felt the challenge was too big for them and the regulations are not allowing for safe enough tyres, they have the responsibility to voice it out and refuse the challenge.

If I told a contractor to use the minimum specification of concrete grade material to build my house and he felt it could cause my house to collapse in a week but heck, that's what the client wants, let's do it....sorry but it's still his fault, without notifying me of the risks involved. At no point did the FIA say "we want fast degrading tyres, it doesn't matter if the tyres explode in a race or the safety of drivers is compromised". Pirelli read the rules and said OK NO PROBLEMO CHIEF.

The other manufacturers who refused this challenge were simply being smart or responsible in noting the challenge, if they indeed can't build fast degrading tyres which are safe. Pirelli the idiots (and they DO look like idiots now) felt they could take up the challenge, and now we've already had more punctures than 5 years of the Bridgestone/Michelin era. This is not the teams fault, nor the FIA's, since they're not building the tyres and not the ones who accepted the challenge. If no tyre maker is willing to take up a seemingly 'impossible' challenge, they are not going to force the cars to run on rims, but change the rules which would be for the best.

[What's Burning?]

After the Pirelli rubber years, we'll all look back on this as another dumb idea with an even dumber execution. Pirelli and the FIA both look like incompetent idiots. A modern day emperor's new clothes.

[sagi58]

After the Pirelli rubber years, we'll all look back on this as another dumb idea with an even dumber execution. Pirelli and the FIA both look like incompetent idiots. A modern day emperor's new clothes.

[What's Burning?]

More and more rumors of Michelin returning... don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out Pirelli. The tire situation has been farcical.

FiA, (meaning Bernie): come on baby, let me put it in without the rubber, it feels better that way and it gets me so much more excited.

Pirelli: I wouldn't want to have unintended consequences pop up a few months from now if you know what I mean. Mama always said to say NO since I'm a good Catholic... but I can't use protection since I'm Catholic... well, just this once FiA... okay? Just this once.

[Hammer278]

Did someone hack your account WB?

[LewEngBridewell]

And what instructions will Michelin be given. The same ones which Pirelli were given? I hope not.

[What's Burning?]

And what instructions will Michelin be given. The same ones which Pirelli were given? I hope not.

Michelin is not a good Catholic.

[stonemonkey]

And what instructions will Michelin be given. The same ones which Pirelli were given? I hope not.

At the least I'd expect Michelin to tell them where to put those instuctions.

[racechick]

And what instructions will Michelin be given. The same ones which Pirelli were given? I hope not.

At the least I'd expect Michelin to tell them where to put those instuctions.

[CookinFlat6]

I wouldn't be surprised if Bernie hasn't had a sweet deal lined up with Michelin for a while and has allowed Pirelli to thoroughly tie themselves into knots with the rope provided. All this talk about some new wonder 'slick' wet tyre etc, maybe a brown envelope and they have been preparing in the background

Strange not to sign a contract early for 2014 with all it's changes

Alas, I think we have to say goodbye to Paul Hembery and his hapless and completely screwed over firm

[What's Burning?]

The Michelin slick damp conditions tire has been around in the American Le Mans series for some time now. Michelin invents ‘Hybrid’

[stonemonkey]

The Michelin slick damp conditions tire has been around in the American Le Mans series for some time now. Michelin invents ‘Hybrid’

I take it it doesn't deal with any standing water, only for a track with a damp/drying surface?

[What's Burning?]

it's for more than just damp, I've seen it used in light drizzly rain. It's certainly a nice bridge between a full dry and a dedicated inter in that it lasts longer than an intermediate tire would. It's all supposed to be done through compound magic.

I agree though, the FiA is in a tough situation, the "Pirelli Rubber Years" have been a marketing disaster and even though it's a disaster of their own doing, the only way out for the FiA is to throw Pirelli under the bus and saddle them with as much of the blame as possible hoping that F1 fans have fickle memories.