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[racechick]

So strangely it is kimi and not alonso that holds all the cards in the silly season. It is odd because most people class alonso as the most rounded driver at the moment.

Alonso is the most rounded driver on the grid today; however, there is only one of him!!
Both title can't be won by one driver, even if there is a mathematical possibility.

Umm, the rounded driver part is down to personal conjecture. Ferrari have been vocal about him not really being a great qualifier, and this trend has been apparent since the beginning of his F1 career. So he doesn't have all the boxes ticked either.
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Not sure where this ' most rounded driver' myth originated. Maybe Alonso perpetuated it. He's certainly one of the best. But 'most rounded' whatever that means?? As Hammer says he doesn't qualify well. He tends to be involved in a lot of 'gates' , he makes errors, and has done this year. He dislikes a competitive partner. He has his faults, as do they all, and like the other top dogs he still has a few sharp corners.

[CookinFlat6]

I think Alonso is a rounded driver because unlike Lewis, he doesnt tweet about his team situation or about things he feels strongly about.


errr hold on

http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/showthread.php/31538-Alonso-Tweet

[sagi58]

Not sure where this ' most rounded driver' myth originated. Maybe Alonso perpetuated it. He's certainly one of the best. But 'most rounded' whatever that means?? ...

No, it was NOT Alonso who perpetuated that moniker, let alone the one who coined the phrase!!

I've been following F1 for the past 10 years or so and I know I heard that phrase from the very
beginning and usually in reference to Schumi.

Besides, "most rounded" does NOT mean perfect/without mistakes! Rather, it means that in
comparison to his peers, Alonso is the "most complete" package!!

[sagi58]

I think Alonso is a rounded driver because unlike Lewis, he doesnt tweet about his team situation or about things he feels strongly about.


errr hold on

http://www.thescuderia.net/forums/showthread.php/31538-Alonso-Tweet

The social media is a double edged sword!! It's great that we get to know our heroes;
but, in getting to know them, we realize they too have lead feet!!

[Hammer278]

Not sure where this ' most rounded driver' myth originated. Maybe Alonso perpetuated it. He's certainly one of the best. But 'most rounded' whatever that means?? ...

No, it was NOT Alonso who perpetuated that moniker, let alone the one who coined the phrase!!

I've been following F1 for the past 10 years or so and I know I heard that phrase from the very
beginning and usually in reference to Schumi.

Besides, "most rounded" does NOT mean perfect/without mistakes! Rather, it means that in
comparison to his peers, Alonso is the "most complete" package!!

What makes you think he's the most complete package? Based on what? Any facts to back it up? If we're using facts, Vettel is the most complete package.

So we're left with conjecture. And I do think he's a very good driver, Top 3 and definitely a CHAMPION in marketing himself to the public but most rounded, no way.

[What's Burning?]

Lewis seems to always point to Alonso as his competition and Alonso seems to point to Lewis. Maybe it's their way of crediting Seb's car more than they do Seb. Maybe they do respect one another's talents.

The question is, does Ferrari hire the guy they fired? Apple did hire Steve Jobs back, but that's different.

[sagi58]

Not sure where this ' most rounded driver' myth originated. Maybe Alonso perpetuated it. He's certainly one of the best. But 'most rounded' whatever that means?? ...

No, it was NOT Alonso who perpetuated that moniker, let alone the one who coined the phrase!!

I've been following F1 for the past 10 years or so and I know I heard that phrase from the very
beginning and usually in reference to Schumi.

Besides, "most rounded" does NOT mean perfect/without mistakes! Rather, it means that in
comparison to his peers, Alonso is the "most complete" package!!

What makes you think he's the most complete package? Based on what? Any facts to back it up? If we're using facts, Vettel is the most complete package.

So we're left with conjecture. And I do think he's a very good driver, Top 3 and definitely a CHAMPION in marketing himself to the public but most rounded, no way.

Vettel has the car. Alonso has been able to drag his across the finish line, even though it hasn't been the best on the grid.
Alonso seems to be able to give feedback to his engineers, Vettel screams into his radio and thanks everyone else...

Conjecture? Sure... but, then again, most of these threads are full of it, anyway, no?

[sagi58]

Lewis seems to always point to Alonso as his competition and Alonso seems to point to Lewis. Maybe it's their way of crediting Seb's car more than they do Seb. Maybe they do respect one another's talents...

Nicely done!!

...The question is, does Ferrari hire the guy they fired? Apple did hire Steve Jobs back, but that's different.

Only time will tell... and, how was Jobs being rehired "different"?

[racechick]

I think Lewis and Alonso are the best two, and they both know that. But Alonso more rounded? most rounded? No. No evidence of it.
Dragging a slower car up the grid doesn't make you the most complete driver. Lewis is ace at doing that, probably better than Alonso. Lewis is also better at qualifying. Overtaking? Close call. I'd pick Lewis, you'd probably pick Alonso. You can't say Alonso is the most complete. Pure conjecture.

[Hammer278]

I think Lewis and Alonso are the best two, and they both know that. But Alonso more rounded? most rounded? No. No evidence of it.
Dragging a slower car up the grid doesn't make you the most complete driver. Lewis is ace at doing that, probably better than Alonso. Lewis is also better at qualifying. Overtaking? Close call. I'd pick Lewis, you'd probably pick Alonso. You can't say Alonso is the most complete. Pure conjecture.

Overtaking a close call? Alonso and overtaking don't really go together, even in this Pirelli era I think he's overtaken less than 10 times so far this season. I mean, Alonso overtakes most of his competitors at the start on Lap 1, after that it's strategy or waiting for guys ahead to breakdown or have bad pitstops.

One thing Alonso is definitely better than Hamilton at is at the starts, he knows how to pick up places and stay out of danger very well, something Lewis lacks.

[racechick]

I think Lewis and Alonso are the best two, and they both know that. But Alonso more rounded? most rounded? No. No evidence of it.
Dragging a slower car up the grid doesn't make you the most complete driver. Lewis is ace at doing that, probably better than Alonso. Lewis is also better at qualifying. Overtaking? Close call. I'd pick Lewis, you'd probably pick Alonso. You can't say Alonso is the most complete. Pure conjecture.

Overtaking a close call? Alonso and overtaking don't really go together, even in this Pirelli era I think he's overtaken less than 10 times so far this season.

I was being generous

[Jabberwocky]

Lewis seems to always point to Alonso as his competition and Alonso seems to point to Lewis. Maybe it's their way of crediting Seb's car more than they do Seb. Maybe they do respect one another's talents.

The question is, does Ferrari hire the guy they fired? Apple did hire Steve Jobs back, but that's different.

That did not end well for steve jobs though

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[CookinFlat6]

Are you saying returning to Apple was the reason for his terminal illness?

It was Brundle that started this Alonso most rounded stuff, just like a person who is physically attractively challenged and someone says 'they have a great personality'. I think it was more like 'Alonso is not the fastest in one lap, or the best overtaker, or the calmest of personalities when challenged, oh but he is the most rounded'

Typical Brundle talk for the sake of effect, like Button is a smooth driver (slow) Kobayashi is a kamikaze ( Japanese and aggressive) etc etc

The best one is 'if I knew what I know now, I'd be WDC' yeah rite Brundle, whatever

Alonso is a great driver almost as good as Lewis, closer than anyone else except maybe Seb, but most rounded? That's probably Heidfeld

[sagi58]

Conjecture?

Sure... but, then again, isn't that what an opinion is?

As for Stats, anyone who uses them will tell you they are easily manipulated
and will "prove" just about anything you want them to!

[What's Burning?]

I've always been a fan of Lewis, he's just an exciting guy to watch behind the wheel of a car. I'd love to see him race in a closed wheel series! But I think the component that was "missing" from Lewis back in 2010 and 2011 which was self control, is what Alonso did have at that time. I think that comes with maturity, I think that comes with understanding that you can't win every race every time and that too much is just as bad as too little when it comes to tenacity and aggressiveness and trying to get a car to the finish line.

That's not to say that people don't grow, and in hindsight, I think Alonso was a more "rounded" driver in the fact that he had acquired that level of maturity that Lewis didn't have at the time. Lewis has grown tremendously both in the 2012 season and in the season to date. He's run almost flawlessly and run the car to the best of it's potential at any given circuit. Actually thinking about it, Monaco this year was the only "mistake" I feel he's committed in the last year and a half.

So he's now got that maturity that he didn't have before, and I think that maturity comes from learning to deal with both wining and losing, with both a good car and a bad car, and I'd pick him today as the "best driver" but more on style than substance over Alonso which is the reason I liked him so much from the beginning.

Which brings me to Vettel, the third leg of the top tier stool. I think he's a talented driver, but he doesn't know how to lose. He doesn't have the maturity that both Lewis and Alonso I feel both posses because he's not ever struggled at the front. That's not to say he won't also acquire it, perhaps if RBR don't give him a great car next year, he'll learn more about driving than he'd have with the three or four championships he'd have by then.

A great driver knows how to punch above a car's weight at the front of the grid. It's completely different than taking a back marker to 12 position or a mid field car into the double digit points positions because the expectation to do that every race is not there. The expectation of Alonso or Hamilton to put the car on the podium is there every race. Which is different than the expectation of Vettel to do the same every race, because the car has been able to do that for going on four years now.

Sorry for the ramble, but there's no denying that you learn more from a loss than you do from a win.