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[Jabberwocky]

I think the difference is now that F1 drivers have a much longer career. Maybe championships to years competed could be an interesting statistic?

Fangio got 5 championships out of 7 season!
Schumacher got 7 in 17 years!
Vettel got 3 in 5 years!

So If Vettel had a 17 year career at this rate he will have 10 championships!

Fangio on the other hand would of had 12!

[mnmracer]

I think the difference is now that F1 drivers have a much longer career. Maybe championships to years competed could be an interesting statistic?

Fangio got 5 championships out of 7 season!
Schumacher got 7 in 17 years!
Vettel got 3 in 5 years!

So If Vettel had a 17 year career at this rate he will have 10 championships!

Fangio on the other hand would of had 12!

If you're interested in that, I could make something at the end of the year.
Whole different topic though. Certainly I shouldn't be telling a mod that

[Jabberwocky]

it is a different topic you are right, it was just my train of thought that lead me to it

[madbrad]

Yeah the number is kind of immaterial. You're champion if you have the most points at the end of the last race. So what? What if there were one more or one fewer race that season and someone else had the most points then? Being labelled the champion to me has no more meaning than that number. Same goes for the individual races. You're assigned an amount of points for winning and for placing etc. So luck might have got you the win, or bad luck might have cost you the win. If you could say a guy won because he's the best, then just one guy would win every race. Wins come to guys sometimes. It's just a number. And that's not even considering having the car and whether the team just happens to have a runaway car for the season. Schumacher was not the best. He was the most successful.

[CookinFlat6]

Schumacher was not the best. He was the most successful.

Thats why many will tell you Lewis is 'better' than Alonso or Vettel despite having less statistical success.

We have over a million processors arranged in parallel between our ears, and luckily most of us use them to see shades of grey otherwise statistics would lead us up a blind alley, where we see only black and white

[racechick]

I certainly don't think,statistics give you the best driver like Madbrad said, they give you the most successful. A few reasons why they don't give you the best driver.

1. Choosing the best driver is subjective
2. Schumacher, more championships than Senna
3. button same amount of championships as Hamilton
4. Hamilton two championships less than Vettel
5. moss no championship
6. Gilles Villeneuve no championship

And so it goes on. statistics don't give you the best driver.

[What's Burning?]

Bring back IROC! That will go a long way towards settling things. That or just continue to use the TG track times.

[CookinFlat6]

That's hardcore *censored*
Change the top gear car to an Rs, 3.0 naturally aspirated nirvana

would be interesting indeed

[andrew]

Why is there Porsche written on a VW Beetle?

[What's Burning?]

Why is there Porsche written on a VW Beetle?

Probably for the same reason that VW now owns most of the British car marks of any importance and produces automobiles in 27 countries.

[andrew]

VW's are normally good cars so it's easy to see why it is such a huge company. I just wish they'd spend more on Porsche's design department!

There was a programme on Sunday about how the German manufacturers infiltrated the British market in the 70's.

Not sure if who all this will work for but it was really quite interesting.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03866cj/Das_Auto_The_Germans_Their_Cars_and_Us/

[racechick]

Is that the programme that pissed off the top gear team?

[CookinFlat6]

Thats what Clarkson was getting at in the TG with Webber. The Germans have reclaimed their place, making good engineering, however Britain still remains the place where the ideas and creativity happens, which is why most of the F1 companies are here and not in Bavaria

Just my opinion

[madbrad]

[Jabberwocky]

I liked iroc

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