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[geetface9]

I need a better job and my justice studies degree is doing jack sh1t for me.

Thinking about going back to school. Anybody know of some (relatively) quick degrees/certifications/etc that yield ~$50k/year??

This market has me going

Interested in the financial sector? Take the CFA exam....you have 6 text books to master, if you manage to pass CFA Level 1, banks will like your CV very much.

I'm honestly not that interested in the financial sector. The CFA website says I have to have four years of "qualifying investment work experience" to get their charter.

Thanks for the suggestion though

For CFA Level 1...you need no experience. You only get the charter if you complete all 3 levels.. and the last 2 is usually completed while you're working in the sector and your employer would sponsor you if they want you to move up the ladder. Passing Level 1 doesn't make you a charter.

Ah got it! thanks. how long does it take to get and what kind of salary are we looking at?

[LRW]

I've just realised. Next month I will have been in full-time employment for 20 years.

That's depressing.

[1Lemon]

I've just realised. Next month I will have been in full-time employment for 20 years.

That's depressing.

Next month I'll have been in full-time employment for 1 year (Or technically 1 month as it's the end of my Apprenticeship and I get a full job, and technically as an apprentice I'm a contractor but I'm not counting that).

[LRW]

I've just realised. Next month I will have been in full-time employment for 20 years.

That's depressing.

Next month I'll have been in full-time employment for 1 year (Or technically 1 month as it's the end of my Apprenticeship and I get a full job, and technically as an apprentice I'm a contractor but I'm not counting that).

My first year of employment was full-time at college, for year 1 of my apprenticeship. being paid £110 a month to go to college, hang around with my mates, and spend our lunchtimes in the pub. Good times. Only downside was that most my mates were standard scummy students, so I bought a lot of the beers.....

[1Lemon]

I've just realised. Next month I will have been in full-time employment for 20 years.

That's depressing.

Next month I'll have been in full-time employment for 1 year (Or technically 1 month as it's the end of my Apprenticeship and I get a full job, and technically as an apprentice I'm a contractor but I'm not counting that).

My first year of employment was full-time at college, for year 1 of my apprenticeship. being paid £110 a month to go to college, hang around with my mates, and spend our lunchtimes in the pub. Good times. Only downside was that most my mates were standard scummy students, so I bought a lot of the beers.....

Ah see most of my mates are at Uni, but when they come back a gentle reminder that my taxes pay for their free money guilts them into buying me round after round

[Hammer278]

I need a better job and my justice studies degree is doing jack sh1t for me.

Thinking about going back to school. Anybody know of some (relatively) quick degrees/certifications/etc that yield ~$50k/year??

This market has me going

Interested in the financial sector? Take the CFA exam....you have 6 text books to master, if you manage to pass CFA Level 1, banks will like your CV very much.

I'm honestly not that interested in the financial sector. The CFA website says I have to have four years of "qualifying investment work experience" to get their charter.

Thanks for the suggestion though

For CFA Level 1...you need no experience. You only get the charter if you complete all 3 levels.. and the last 2 is usually completed while you're working in the sector and your employer would sponsor you if they want you to move up the ladder. Passing Level 1 doesn't make you a charter.

Ah got it! thanks. how long does it take to get and what kind of salary are we looking at?

Pretty competitive if you manage to pass the CFA L1....the pass rate on average is 30-35% internationally. So yeah...wish me luck for this December.

The level 1 happens twice a year...December and June. If you pass it, you get it no questions asked.

[Jabberwocky]

Tuesday marked the 17th anniversary of joining the military. It was also my mast day in the military.

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[darwin dali]

Tuesday marked the 17th anniversary of joining the military. It was also my mast day in the military.

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What? The captain made you climb up his mast?

[Jabberwocky]

Lol it was supposed to be last

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[What's Burning?]

I began working in a highly technical industry when I was 23, It was to be a temporary thing, a decision made because in the late 80's the economy was not unlike it was today, but with a little bit of luck of being in the right place at the right time, and applying learned skills from a previous roles and developing that into new growth segments I've had a career in at times bleeding edge technology for the last quarter century.

In that time I've worked as engineering support for sales teams, in a somewhat symbiotic relationship where they'd sell the stuff and I'd make sure it worked for the customers or I'd get it to work for the customers. But in life, support is paid at a different rate than sales. So although I've seen countless sales folks come and go, I've also seen quite a few of them that knew half as much as I do, make twice as much as I do annually.

So my question is this. Is job security worth not having the risk of sales quotas? I am at a crossroads in my life, personally and professionally and I'm thinking that I'd like to jump over to the sales side of the industry, where I can make even as a middle of the road schlep about 30% more than I currently earn but with the what have you done for me lately specter that is sales.

[Jabberwocky]

I think sales man have a lot more pressure to deal with. However my new role (Project Engineer) is making the stuff work like the salesman said it would! No always as easy as it sounds.

I also think that you should do something you like doing. I do not think that I would like to be a sales man as I do not put up with idiots likely. So being asked a silly question by a customer might be a problem.

There is a lot of money in recruitment, but people do not seem to last that long in the role for a reason.

[What's Burning?]

Yeah, I've been doing the systems engineering thing, basically same as yours which is making sure that the stuff works the way the sales teams promised, or to a larger degree setting the right customer expectations in the first place making sure sales people don't promise unrealistic things. This isn't a sales, sales per se... it's more of technical sales where someone else does the groundwork and getting the right people in the room, and I'd present on the very specific technical aspects of the product and answer questions, I wouldn't even have to engineer it as there's another team (basically what I do now) to do the build and support.

I'm talking to a few people today and I'm talking to a friend this weekend and I'm sure come Monday I'll know where I want to go. There's an aspect to all of this of simply being bored, after the last 14 years of essentially doing the same function.

[Hammer278]

I'm nowhere close to experienced in the job industry as you guys, but my first 'real' job was a sales job...selling seats for corporate events (conferences/trainings) which cost like USD2500 per seat. I did that for 8 months, and I have to say after 3-4 months I felt like my brain was melting everyday. The same pitch, the same routine, the same bullsh*t over and over again with the same rebukes and I found out the thrill of scoring 'deals' was no longer making up for the dissatisfaction of the job itself.

On the other hand...there were others who were THRIVING and simply enjoyed selling bullsh*t very well (and yes, most of what we say is bullsh*t) and could work in that line forever. Sales isn't like other jobs....it's only for certain people who have that sales gene in them. I graduated in mechanical engineering for my bachelors, and from what you say you seem to be deep in the engineering field with a lot of experience in that field, do take my 0.0001 pence opinion that sales might not be for you.

[Jabberwocky]

I suppose it depends what you are selling and how technical an item it is

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[stonemonkey]

I'm nowhere close to experienced in the job industry as you guys, but my first 'real' job was a sales job...selling seats for corporate events (conferences/trainings) which cost like USD2500 per seat. I did that for 8 months, and I have to say after 3-4 months I felt like my brain was melting everyday. The same pitch, the same routine, the same bullsh*t over and over again with the same rebukes and I found out the thrill of scoring 'deals' was no longer making up for the dissatisfaction of the job itself.

On the other hand...there were others who were THRIVING and simply enjoyed selling bullsh*t very well (and yes, most of what we say is bullsh*t) and could work in that line forever. Sales isn't like other jobs....it's only for certain people who have that sales gene in them. I graduated in mechanical engineering for my bachelors, and from what you say you seem to be deep in the engineering field with a lot of experience in that field, do take my 0.0001 pence opinion that sales might not be for you.

I'm in the job of giving stuff away for free to people who have applied for it, that's hard enough.